Confirmed: I am the best WHM ever!

Keavy · Post by **Keavy** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:13 pm

Now, as with all my posts, there is a story to back this up. Gather children, and let me tell you about the best WHM ever.

So this story starts with me in Aht Urghan getting ready to go to bed after a long and exhaustive day of partying. My social LS leader asks me if I would like to party. He explains that his party needs a healer and he really really wants to level up so he can learn his new Weapon Skill. Since I really like him and he's always helped me out in the past (AF Coffer keys was a big one) I agreed.

Party setup was this: PLD, DRK, THF (LS Leader), SMN, BLM, WHM (Me)

So after getting Sanction we head off to Aydeewa Subterrane to kill Crawlers and big tarantula things. This is where me and the BLM (Our leader) started to butt heads.

First fight he insists I Haste all the Melee. With no Refresher I told him this would slow us down. He told me we would make it work. So I ignored him and just used Haste on the PLD. A few fights in, I get a /tell from the SMN asking me not to let the PLD's health drop so low. See, when the PLD had over 50 MP I would Cure him only if he had less than 900 HP. I explained to the SMN I was doing that so the PLD could Cure himself for hate if he needed to. Then, after that, the BLM spams me with this in /tell: "Protectra/Shellra NOW!" like once a second! So I respond in party chat: "Damnit, (BLM) I only have enough MP to Pro/Shell OR Cure. Which do you want?" and the PLD says "Its cool. We can rest after this chain and you can Pro/Shell then."

About 45 minutes into the party I got a /tell from the PLD: "I've partied with a lot of WHM's in my PLD career and I gotta say you're the best." I explained to him that it takes me a few fights to get my rhythm down and he responded "Well, you got great rhythm then." I had to laugh at that.

A few hours into the party we took our forth "Let's get everyone to full MP then start again" break so I used this time to get a soda, bio break, and stretch. I come back and see the PLD at 29HP (No joke) with no MP. Meanwhile the SMN is casting Blizzard IV with Shiva while the BLM is casting Freeze. Apparently this is the "Oh, S***, the tank's dying. Quick, kill the mob before he dies" tactic I've heard so much about.

So I target the PLD and Cure bomb his ass. Cure V, Cure III, Cure IV, Cure III and the mob's dead, the PLD lives, and by some miracle I didn't pull hate. Probably because the BLM was tanking after that 1200 damage Freeze.

After we all regained our composure the BLM lets out this snide little remark "See, this is what I was telling you. I was here with RDM last night and we were getting 8K per hour. With WHM we're getting 3K." Before I can call BS on that the PLD says "Yeah, but our WHM kicks ass!" and my LS leader follows up with "I'll take a great WHM like Keavy over a crappy RDM any day!" If they're talking about the RDM I think they're talking about, I have to agree. He's an Elvaan who only wears RDM AF and he'll cast Refresh on the party, heal, then not stand up again until he needs to recast. Sadly whatever virus he's contracted that makes him behave this way is spreading rampantly throughout the RDM community on my server.

Shortly after that the SMN leveled and decided he no longer wanted to party (Didn't that stuff stop around Garlaige Citadel?) so the party broke.

I'm still level 62, but now I only need 6K to level. A few Ballista's, a couple Eco-War's/Escort missions, and maybe a Besieged or two and I'll be using Pro IV in no time. (Windy is in second this week so my super cheap and super good WHM food is unavailable and there's zero Mushroom/Witch Stew in the AH and I refuse to party without food.)

So yeah, if anyone ever starts talking trash about WHM, send them to me.

Post by **Fiye** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:49 pm

I hate it when people tell me how to do my own fucking job as well.

I'm (Still) a 59 WHM, and trust me, I rarely let anyone die. The only people I let die are ass hats who tell me how to do my job, complain that I don't debuff/buff (Other than protectra/shellra and bar spells), and keep on shouting cure every five hundredth of a second, when they're a BLM/WHM.

I never thought being a high level would be this tough, when compared to dunes. I'd rather be at dunes with 17k TNL!

Rinni · Post by **Rinni** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:19 am

sounds like that idiot i was partied with a week or so ago.

was RDM, and i realised that i was going to be main heal as there was no WHM. like you, was getting told to caste haste on everyone, and then cure. only i kept running out of MP, even with casting refresh every time refresh wore.so the ldr offers me some pineapple juice. i refused and he asked why.

I'm level 56, and this guy doesnt know i have refresh?

ok i give him the benefit of the doubt, and carry on furiously trying to keep the party alive. the nin dies cause i just couldn't keep him cured fast enough. the leader turns round and blames me for his death, and said if he'd been playing as his lvl 57 rdm, the nin would never have died.

at this point i got really angry with this guy, i forget what job he was playing, possibly sam, and the nin (who was a friend) calls the guy an idiot and disbands. i follow shortly after and then get a mouthful of abuse from the ldr.

needless to say he said hello to my blist 2 mins later and left with me being highly pissed off after a pty i wasnt really in the mood for.

Post by **Sugami** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:52 pm

Fiye wrote:I'd rather be at dunes with 17k TNL!

No you wouldn't

That dude was an idiot if he thought he could get good exp with a PLD and no Refresh

Also 8K/hour at 62ish is very unlikely.

Kintrra · Post by **Kintrra** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:08 pm

Sugami wrote:
Fiye wrote:I'd rather be at dunes with 17k TNL!
No you wouldn't

That dude was an idiot if he thought he could get good exp with a PLD and no Refresh Also 8K/hour at 62ish is very unlikely.

Good exp with a PLD and no refresh is entirely possible. I did it when I was leveling up before the Auto Refresh patch. 8k an hour tho, yeah, that's a BS statement. <.<;;

Post by **Karou Ariyen** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:24 pm

Lovely party in mire today, Corsair/Ranger and Samurai/Warrior. Now the corsair's ranged weapon had the same delay as my Shigeto bow, 600 delay. I said "So is the corsair pulling?" "At 600 delay we'll never get chains! You're pulling!" "My weapon is 600 delay aswell what the f*ck!?"

So I pulled, guess what, We hit chain #18. with 600 delay Shigeto bow >.> That Corsair prolly just subbed pulling jobs/pulling gear so he could stand and look pretty. "I need to do mp Regen on the mages." No that's why the rdm was there heh.

Pheonixhawk · Post by **Pheonixhawk** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:33 am

On the Phoenix server ive come across some crappy rdms and I have no idea what happened. One rdm (lets call her karen) joined our party and we headed to west altepa desert. I was a drk at the time, but still I was happy to FINNALY get a party invite. As we started partying (Setup was DRG, DRK, PLD, WHM, THF, RDM) we noticed that everyone was low on mp exept for karen. IN fact the whm was seriously struggling because the asshat DRK was just to impossible to gauge, and kept getting hate despite his efforts (*Blush*). Then we all noticed that not only was the RDM NOT casting refresh on the party or healing magic or nukes, but she was always wasting her time meleeing. I told her that my RDM was lvl 70 and I could give her some tips, but she told me fo F**k off. I tried to be polite but karen had an attitude. FInnaly the whm said "Sheesh rdm, another damn Drk would be more helpful than you." She got all huffy and warped away, in which she was replaced by another rdm that was only lvl 40 (no refresh) and STILL we were doing much much much better. Sad no?

Rinni · Post by **Rinni** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:43 am

met a few people like that, who are happy to do it their own way... i try my hardest as rdm, but i'm begining to think it isnt the job for me.

Kintrra · Post by **Kintrra** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:01 am

Eh, it's one thing to do things your own way, as long as you still help out the party with how your job can. Refresh being a RDM only spell, it's actually most helpful (to the pt AND yourself) to use it on other mages at least. Otherwise, you're just slowing everyone else down. I personally look at every job as being just that. They have their specific job to do in a pt. Sometimes that changes a little (PLDs or NINs in pts that already have a tank need to switch to DD gear for instance) and if you do that job in your own way, then that's great. As long as you're still doing your job. WHMs heal, RDMs Refresh and back-up heal, BLMs nuke, yada yada, so on and so forth. I just don't understand people who basically go "well I'm doing what I want so screw the rest of the party".

Post by **Fiye** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:52 am

My whole thing about whitemage is this: Heal -> Protectra/Shellra/Bar -> Erase, Viruna, and any cure to status effects.

I'm tired of PTs asking me to Haste, or buff in some way. I'm tired of PTs asking me to debuff.

My Buffing skill is 110! And I'm fucking 59! My Enfeeble is at 145 as well! Why? Because I don't spent time enfeebling/buffing the f*ck out of my party. ALl I do is throw a Cure 3 or 4 at the tank (Or anyone who manages to get haste), Keep the Tank Regened, and make sure that no one dies (And if they do die, I have a method of bringing them back up with minimal exp loss).

ugh, I'm stick and tired of ass hats telling me how to do my job. Haste costs 40 Mp to cast. Multiply that anywhere from two to four, and you have a 160 MP drain on me, about once every two fights. It tastes for-fucking-ever to get Haste recasted (Another reason why RDM is more SUITED FOR THE F*CKING JOB). So, That means even LESS time for me to heal the god damned Tank or anyone else taking damage.

I'm an MP whore. I'm sorry to say, but if someone decides to f*** up (Which we know happens in every randomly assembled PT), I'll be ready to save some fucking lives.

*ugh*

This kitty REALLY needed to vent.

Save lives. Never tell a WHM how to do his/her job unless they're really fucking up at it.

Now to get ready to do ZM4 NM fight.

Keavy · Post by **Keavy** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:47 am

I hate the "I'll play how I want to play" mentality when it comes to parties. When you reduce the overall experience for five other people with your antics, you need to be kicked. And not just out of the party, you need a hard kick in the ass.

If you wanna play RDM/Monk and melee while soloing, go for it. You wanna be in MY party and pull that sh*t? Hell no. Sub WHM or BLM, get in the back row, and do your damn job. Refresh the mages, Haste the Melee, Enfeeble the mob, and Dispel when needed.

As for me when I play WHM I Haste the tank and use Cure III when needed. Regen is used on the puller when shadows have fallen and they have taken damage, and the rest of the party gets Cure when needed. If I have the MP to spare and we have a competent refresher I will gladly haste the other melee's that need it. Unless said melee pull hate with Haste, then I stop hasting them.

I had a RDM in a party tell me to haste ALL the melee. Even this one WAR/NIN who pulled hate every time I used Haste on him. He told me "The WAR is supposed to pull hate." Before this RDM came in I had been hasting only the PLD and we had no problem hitting consistent Chain 5's so we really didn't need to kill mobs any faster. Problem was this RDM wouldn't backup heal and the WAR was draining my MP because he could not get shadows up when he pulled hate. Keep in mind I was getting 5MP a tic Refresh (I was subbing SMN, had Auto Refresh Sanction, and RDM Refresh) So I went back to hasting the PLD only but you know what that RDM did? He started using Haste on the WAR/NIN! Thankfully that RDM had Dynamis and we replaced him with a BLU who was far more beneficial to the party.

So basically, I know how to do my damn job. I keep the tank alive, keep the melee healthy, cast Protectra/Shellra every half hour (Even if we don't need Shellra party leaders still insist I use it), and remove negative status effects. Problem is many of the people who are "Anti WHM" have never really played it. When you get to the higher levels where your most used spells cost 40+ MP each and you're lucky to get one tic in while healing between pulls because you were flooded with "Cure me" and "Poisona PLZ" /tell's while the puller was off fetching prey.

I love WHM but I hate the asshats I have to level with.

Post by **Sugami** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:52 pm

Kintrra wrote:Good exp with a PLD and no refresh is entirely possible. I did it when I was leveling up before the Auto Refresh patch. 8k an hour tho, yeah, that's a BS statement. <.<;;

I wouldn't call that good exp, per se... more okay exp. For instance I had a party in Mount Zywhatsits with a PLD and a BRD. I suggested working the PLD into Ballad somehow and the BRD just said, "Tough sh*t, PLDs and BRDs don't work together."

So neither one of them was actually trying to work together, the PLD only had Auto-Refresh and Sanction and was taking a lot of down time. EXP wasn't bad but at the same time it wasn't good either.

Ka-chan wrote:So I pulled, guess what, We hit chain #18. with 600 delay Shigeto bow >.> That Corsair prolly just subbed pulling jobs/pulling gear so he could stand and look pretty. "I need to do mp Regen on the mages." No that's why the rdm was there heh.

Actually COR make one of the worst pullers in game (unless they're using a Peace Maker and therefore their damage is shot to sh*t, excuse the pun).
You already touched on the fact that Delay:600 weapons make for bad pulling but more importantly a Corsair needs to keep his roll order going. Phantom Roll being on 1min timer, 4 rolls, you do the maths. Basically when one roll drops he/she has to be in there and get it up again, pulling will throw their roll order off (more so than not pulling).

FYI /RNG is not for pulling, it's to enhance the damage aspect of the job. COR can bust out some reasonable numbers with Slug Shot and Barrage. I commend that COR for not being a lazy /NIN pussy

Fiye wrote:Haste costs 40 Mp to cast. Multiply that anywhere from two to four, and you have a 160 MP drain on me, about once every two fights. It tastes for-fucking-ever to get Haste recasted (Another reason why RDM is more SUITED FOR THE F*CKING JOB).

I'd have to disagree with that part. 40MP is a lot to a RDM, especially if they're not a taru and WHM have more MP. Ontop of which a good RDM will usually always be busy with not only Refresh, Dispel and the odd Haste but getting all the Enfeebles in and MBing too.

There's nothing wrong with a meleeing RDM up to 51 as long as he/she does his/her job.

Asshats are everywhere. Whenever someone asks me "Do you have Axes?" I cry a little inside, of course I do but I pay attention to BOTH my main weapons

Then if it's followed up by, "Great Axe is for skillup parties." I start getting pissed off. He shut up when I busted out some 300-600 Raging Rushes

(Rampage did around the same, just a little more reliable with the occasional *wow* number)

Sylphine · Post by **Sylphine** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:20 am

Fiye wrote: ugh, I'm stick and tired of ass hats telling me how to do my job. Haste costs 40 Mp to cast. Multiply that anywhere from two to four, and you have a 160 MP drain on me, about once every two fights. It tastes for-fucking-ever to get Haste recasted (Another reason why RDM is more SUITED FOR THE F*CKING JOB). So, That means even LESS time for me to heal the god damned Tank or anyone else taking damage.

Well... For a WHM in a pt with NIN tank and have a RDM or BRD to refresh, WHM is likely to have more than enough mp to haste 4 fighters and heal up mp when the mob's HP is lower than 10%. As long as the NIN isn't unlucky enough to get 50-80% HP whacked off by a WS like eruca's fire breath or spider's sickle slash.

As a RDM (lv 70 now), i will say... i used to refresh ppl up from 2-6 ppl in a pt. (i'm not kidding, PLD DRK DRK RDM BLM WHM pt.) Of course, I can't haste ppl 'coz this drains over half of my mp away already (6*40 = 240 and my mp is 500ish at that time). The best thing is... WHM please haste the other fighters too, refreshing and debuffing the mob (slow, para, dia, dispel, sometimes silence too) drained almost all my mp away already...

I do hate ppl who tell me to do my job as well... though... (example : spamming my screen with CUREEEEEEEEEEEEEE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE while i was dying of overhate 'coz of curing him...)

Keavy · Post by **Keavy** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:00 am

Ninja party I can handle Haste duties if we have a Refresher and if the NIN can keep shadows up (Situations like Sickle Slash aside) but when I have a PLD and no refresher, no way. Even with 750 MP (What I have at 62 with gear, Mushroom/Witch Risotto, and SMN sub) its still hard to do and don't even get me started on downtime. Even with Seer's Tunic, Dark Staff, Ginger Cookies (In place of Mushroom/Witch Risotto), the double Auto Refresh, and Pineapple Juice it takes about 2 minutes for me to get back to full from zero.

Get me a Grandoise Chain, Invigorating Cape, Vermy, and add that in to the Cookies, double Auto Refresh, Dark Staff, and juice I probably could keep up with a RDM. Give me a RDM, Bard, or COR on top of all that and look out, I'll have more than enough MP for all that you want with very little downtime.

Now all I need is 5 Mil to buy the Grandoise Chain, Invigorating Cape, and Vermillion Cloak.

P.S. I used to be a hardcore anti-SMN sub WHM until I tried it in a party at level 61. Sure, you lose the BLM spells and Conserve MP but the Auto Refresh has saved my PLD's ass many times.

Post by **Sugami** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:06 pm

If there's a RDM in party then take 2 people each (if can both handle it), if there isn't then just Haste 1 or 2.

Problem solved

Post by **Alya Mizar (Tsybil)** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:38 pm

I have said this before. Haste only the tank. To haste all the melees shortens the fights and shortens the chains. When I am told to haste all the melees I politely offer to leave so they can replace me with a SMN.

Sugami wrote:
Fiye wrote:Haste costs 40 Mp to cast. Multiply that anywhere from two to four, and you have a 160 MP drain on me, about once every two fights. It tastes for-fucking-ever to get Haste recasted (Another reason why RDM is more SUITED FOR THE F*CKING JOB).
I'd have to disagree with that part. 40MP is a lot to a RDM, especially if they're not a taru and WHM have more MP. Ontop of which a good RDM will usually always be busy with not only Refresh, Dispel and the odd Haste but getting all the Enfeebles in and MBing too.

Doesn't mater if they are a Taru. All mages recover MPs at the same rate. Once that Taru has to bend his almost non exinstant knees to heal he does not get those 40 MPs back any quicker than a Galka.

Only in a meleeburn should a RDM or WHM even THINK about Hasting everyone. That is if the crazy melees even give you time to think. Mostly they don't.

MittensValefor · Post by **MittensValefor** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:19 pm

Nimrod: "Do your job my way, Mittens!" (Repeat till I can take no more.)

If I'm sleepy or don't care about the XP:

Mittens: /p "/yawn. {I'm sorry} {I'm sleepy} {Nice to meet you!} {Everyone} {Good bye!}"
/shutdown.

If I gotta have the XP:

Mittens: /p "I'm blisting Nimrod. Let me know if he says anything I need to hear."
/blist add Nimrod

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Nimrod who doesn't do his job right: "I r teh ubar melee BLM lawlz."

/tell Nimrod: "Hey! I'm a lvl 75 BLM, would you like some pointers?"

If Nimrod says yes, praise what little is done right and continue with correcting what's done wrong.

If Nimrod says no, see above responces.

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Confessions of a melee RDM:

I meleed my RDM from lvl 1 to lvl 75. Capped sword skill in xp partys. Got savage blade points in xp parties. There were a few exceptions of course: when I had to main heal, or the rare cases when it was clear the party couldn't handle a melee RDM for whatever reason. (PLD with bad gear, overzealous DRK, SMN afk all the time, or snobby no-melee-for-joo! pt leader for example.)

Yes, rare. "Anyone mind if I take a few swings with a sword?" I'd ask. 9 times out of 10 they'd answer, "So long as you do your job." I did, and got very few complaints. Of course swapping out ele staffs means no weaponskill fun, I did pathetic damage, and I'd miss 1/2 my swings even with sushi, but I had fun! ^.^ If ever my convert recast timer was running low, time to put the sword away and rest for a fight or two.

About Haste - "Who do you want me to haste?" I'd ask the WHM. "I'll get the tank, you get the others," was the answer 9 times out of 10. So I would. Haste myself first of course, helps me keep track of when I need to cast it again, and it works wonders for recast timers.

Anyway, I had to get that out 'cause whenever a lousy melee RDM doesn't do his job I feel like it reflects on me.

Keavy · Post by **Keavy** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:52 pm

I don't mind hasting, I just hate people that ask me to do too much and blame me for my limitations. Like I said before, I can improve my gear and probably could keep up with a RDM, but if you want a RDM invite a RDM. Don't invite me as a WHM then go on about how a RDM could do my job better.

Post by **Sugami** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:57 pm

Tsybil wrote:Doesn't mater if they are a Taru. All mages recover MPs at the same rate. Once that Taru has to bend his almost non exinstant knees to heal he does not get those 40 MPs back any quicker than a Galka.

My point wasn't that if you are taru you should do it but that taru natually have more MP, which translates to more Hastes

MittensValefor wrote:Yes, rare. "Anyone mind if I take a few swings with a sword?" I'd ask. 9 times out of 10 they'd answer, "So long as you do your job." I did, and got very few complaints. Of course swapping out ele staffs means no weaponskill fun, I did pathetic damage, and I'd miss 1/2 my swings even with sushi, but I had fun! ^.^ If ever my convert recast timer was running low, time to put the sword away and rest for a fight or two.

What it boils down to really. Though I have no idea how you could get that many hits in with all the staff swapping, that's what stopped me meleeing past 51. That and the nasty AOE

Really wish RDM got Staff Skill, PLD and DRG get it why the hell not RDM?

About Haste - "Who do you want me to haste?" I'd ask the WHM. "I'll get the tank, you get the others," was the answer 9 times out of 10. So I would. Haste myself first of course, helps me keep track of when I need to cast it again, and it works wonders for recast timers.

I always thought Hasting yourself is a waste of 40MP. Doesn't make a significant decrease to the timer(s). Some people think it helps speed the Refresh cycle up but if you're doing your rounds you can get 2 debuffs in between each one or one Blink or Stoneskin *shrug*
I never geared up on MP, only INT so 40MP was better spent else where in my books

Post by **Shirai** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:58 pm

Sugami wrote:
Tsybil wrote:Doesn't mater if they are a Taru. All mages recover MPs at the same rate. Once that Taru has to bend his almost non exinstant knees to heal he does not get those 40 MPs back any quicker than a Galka.
My point wasn't that if you are taru you should do it but that taru natually have more MP, which translates to more Hastes

Yes Taru have more MP naturally however they take the same time to recover 200 or even 1000 MP as any other race so your equasion does not stand.
When a mage runs out of MP he/she runs out of MP.
A taru just needs more time to recover full MP then another race does.
And a resting whm is no haste at all.
In the end it all ends at the same speed and it depends on the party how the mage can spend their MP.
If I have manasponges as melee then they don't get haste at all, how much they may whine and cry for it.
(SATA the Tank you P***k!)

MittensValefor wrote:Yes, rare. "Anyone mind if I take a few swings with a sword?" I'd ask. 9 times out of 10 they'd answer, "So long as you do your job." I did, and got very few complaints. Of course swapping out ele staffs means no weaponskill fun, I did pathetic damage, and I'd miss 1/2 my swings even with sushi, but I had fun! ^.^ If ever my convert recast timer was running low, time to put the sword away and rest for a fight or two.

If we fight easy mobs with no nasty AoEs and the rdm does what he/she is supposed to do I have no problem at all with meleeing RDM.
Hell I melee on whm myself in exp occasionally.
As long as I do my job and the party is ok with it nobody complains.

Sugami wrote:
About Haste - "Who do you want me to haste?" I'd ask the WHM. "I'll get the tank, you get the others," was the answer 9 times out of 10. So I would. Haste myself first of course, helps me keep track of when I need to cast it again, and it works wonders for recast timers.
I always thought Hasting yourself is a waste of 40MP. Doesn't make a significant decrease to the timer(s). Some people think it helps speed the Refresh cycle up but if you're doing your rounds you can get 2 debuffs in between each one or one Blink or Stoneskin *shrug*
I never geared up on MP, only INT so 40MP was better spent else where in my books

Haste reduces recast time by ~25%, so a mage hasting him/herself is pretty viable if they have to haste all melee in the party.
RDM have the biggest advantage doing this because next to hasting they have to refresh a considerable part of the party in conventional exp parties.
RDM has the advantage of Convert every 10 minutes so it's not lost MP if they use it wisely.

Normally I share hasting duties with the RDM unless I am on smn where I use Hastega.

(Psst.. your two most used enfeebles are MND based)

MittensValefor · Post by **MittensValefor** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:02 pm

Sugami wrote:I have no idea how you could get that many hits in with all the staff swapping,

It wasn't many. My typical fight: I'd dia, and para. Maybe Shock and Frost if the BLM was being lazy. Then break out the sword and start swinging. Reasoning: Slow and Blind rarely stuck for me against most mobs I fought, not to mention most fights don't last long enough to justify the full set of enfeebles, so I'd only cast 'em to satisfy the occasional crybaby. From there it was Refresh, swing, Haste, swing, Dispel, swing... and so on. I'd typically get in maybe 5-6 swings per fight... but it kept my skill up! ^.^

Sugami wrote:Really wish RDM got Staff Skill,

Me too. ;.;

Sugami wrote:I always thought Hasting yourself is a waste. 40MP was better spent else where in my books

You're prolly right, but I'm not a very talented RDM. For me it was worth the 40 MP if for nothing else than the fact I need that little icon on my buff list to tell me when it's time to start Refreshing and Hasting.

Shirai wrote:If we fight easy mobs with no nasty AoEs. (Psst.. your two most used enfeebles are MND based)

Good points. I hated fighting gobs for that very reason... On the other hand it taught me to keep barfire and stoneskin up. *Party wipes to a gob suicide while Mittens only loses 10HP* "Whoah! What just happened to you guys?"

BTW beautiful screenshot!

Post by **Leane** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:55 pm

MittensValefor wrote:
Sugami wrote:I always thought Hasting yourself is a waste. 40MP was better spent else where in my books
You're prolly right, but I'm not a very talented RDM. For me it was worth the 40 MP if for nothing else than the fact I need that little icon on my buff list to tell me when it's time to start Refreshing and Hasting.

Haste lasts longer than refresh, so I just swapped it out for a refresh
example
/magic refresh <me>
/magic haste NIN
/magic refresh WHM
/magic refresh BLM

no need to let haste wear off

MittensValefor wrote:
Shirai wrote:If we fight easy mobs with no nasty AoEs. (Psst.. your two most used enfeebles are MND based)
Good points. I hated fighting gobs for that very reason... On the other hand it taught me to keep barfire and stoneskin up. *Party wipes to a gob suicide while Mittens only loses 10HP* "Whoah! What just happened to you guys?"

BTW beautiful screenshot!

could we see that please?

Post by **Sugami** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:29 pm

Shirai wrote:Yes Taru have more MP naturally however they take the same time to recover 200 or even 1000 MP as any other race so your equasion does not stand.
When a mage runs out of MP he/she runs out of MP.
A taru just needs more time to recover full MP then another race does.
And a resting whm is no haste at all.

I know, I'm not stupid

You get a slightly longer chain then more down time. *shrug*

Haste reduces recast time by ~25%, so a mage hasting him/herself is pretty viable if they have to haste all melee in the party.

Eh most spells are short cast and short recast. I didn't see the point in it. Refresh is still quite a long recast even with Haste, you could still fit in at least one debuff in between each one.
Get a routine going and the delay doesn't matter. Once your Refresh wears you know it's time to restart the cycle, worked for me.

(Psst.. your two most used enfeebles are MND based)

I know Paralyze and Slow are MND based (also Silence). Stupid really, offensive spells being MND based

I didn't believe that for the longest time, thinking MND is defensive and INT is offensive but turns out White Magic spells (offensive or defensive) are boosted by MND, and Black Magic by INT

Also had surplus of MND at one point (due to RSE) so I switched over to double INT rings (instead of one of each) and never looked back since

2 Genius Rings = pimp, wasn't going to take those babies off

Mittens wrote:I'd typically get in maybe 5-6 swings per fight... but it kept my skill up! ^.^

That's more than I'd get in

plus as I leveled, my Sword skill got further and further behind and when you can't hit you can't get skillups so was just pointless after a while

Note: "doing your job" does not mean /NIN

Last time I accept an invite from a RDM/NIN.

ScarlettPheonix · Post by **ScarlettPheonix** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:27 pm

Macro swaps extend beyond switching in elemental staves, you know.

Just having one ring of each or only one set that you wear exclusively isn't the best set up imo. Considering Slow and Paralyzes' potency is boosted by MND and not INT-going with 2 MND rings makes more sense. Unless you were hitting the MND cap- which I doubt to be honest. It takes alot of gear to hit the point where Slow and Paralyze are at full potency.

I have different gear sets for each spell I cast as well as convert and resting gear, but to each his own.

Post by **Sugami** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:43 pm

I know I'm not stupid

1) Didn't have the inventory space.
2) I was cheap.
3) Didn't really care for RDM much.
4) No one else cared either.

I still got the invites and did my job so everyone was happy

Finwich · Post by **Finwich** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:31 pm

Interesting that i read this today, after spending 6 hours yesterday in a party as whm.

As a rdm i have no problem hasting and refreshing a full party of whatever, in addition to being a main healer, enfeebler, etc.

However, I felt strained hasting 4/6 melee in my party (5th being me and 6th being the brd) and still having enough time and mp to cure effectively. Granted we got about 80k in the 6 hours, so it was a great party. I just found the hasting to be more annoying than anything. Makes me have to count.

BTW Keavy, I love you and all, but the best whm ever was the one we had who cured our entire alliance during a Cerberus fight last week. There was only her and a rdm main curing 18+ members. Desalyn roxxors.

Keavy · Post by **Keavy** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:14 am

Finny, the PLD said I was the Best WHM ever so take it up with him

Post by **Sugami** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:22 pm

Easy solution if you're hasting, just ask them to remind you when it wears

Post by **Fiye** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:59 pm

Sugami wrote:Easy solution if you're hasting, just ask them to remind you when it wears

That, and use the recast plugin for a windower. I swear to god that thing is a hell of a gift.

Although I have seen the worst WHM. Lets just say he was a Galka, wearing level 1 armor, a dog tag chain, and a Copper and Brass ring... and a level1 staff.

I don't know about you, but I'm beginning to hate Valkrum Dunes more than ever. I know I may have fucked up a good three times there as a WHM, but nothing compared to the peeps now.

Post by **Shirai** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:48 pm

Another easy sollution is make a cycle, you just have to remember who you hasted last and cycle through fights.

In a good party haste should last at least 2/3 fights so if you have to haste 3/4 melee work down the list.
If Haste wears off before the second mob after casting is dead your party is killing too slow and they don't deserve to be hasted.

Fight#1
Tank
Melee#1 (Or slowest Melee)

Fight#2
Melee#2
Melee#3

Fight#3
Tank
Melee#1
etc..

Keep this up and Haste should never wear off.

Just make a /p Haste -> "Player" Macro or a /tell to yourself if you tend to forget who you hasted last so you can look it up quickly.

There are few melee I won't haste, these are Rangers since they won't notice it and Samurai as they make TP fast enough anyway.
When I notice a certain Melee is being a manasponge I stop hasting them as well.