SE elaborates on job changes

Post by **Karou Ariyen** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:29 pm

so what makes DRK > PUP? You DRKs end up face down in the dirt (well most of the time, great job I still invite DRKs if I dont tank) where as We pups can hide like cowards and let our Automaton fight (Karou a coward? I could be a mage and I'd still melee x:D )

Pheonixhawk · Post by **Pheonixhawk** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:59 pm

Because Drk's should'nt be dumb enough to go after your pet. You kill the pet, it's master summons it right back. Kill the master, the pet dies. Drk's have bind, and sleep. Not to mention a bunch of other helpful debuffs, *blind, poison etc etc.* And buffs, to make us that much stronger. Im not saying it would be an easy fight at all. But's It's not like I said DRK > PUP's. In fact, I don't believe anyone has.

Secondly where is all this BS about drk's ending face up in the dirt? Im a lvl 41 Dark Knight Now. Ive only died 3 times so far. *The third one really doesn't count seeing as I got aggro as soon as I got a friggin raise.

* Maybe back in the day when Drk wen't "Look at this everyone. Souleater, Beserk, Last Resort, Spinning Slash. w00t look at my dmg. But I think ill leave all three job abilities on. Who cares if im draining health evertime I hit, and Im taking more dmg from a mob that currently has hate on me. I did 1k+ dmg!!"

Bitneko · Post by **Bitneko** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:32 pm

KarouKaniyashia wrote:so what makes DRK > PUP? You DRKs end up face down in the dirt (well most of the time, great job I still invite DRKs if I dont tank) where as We pups can hide like cowards and let our Automaton fight (Karou a coward? I could be a mage and I'd still melee x:D )

Not in my case, I'm the one doing all the damage it seems. I;ve never had my auto do anything above 70 dmg even with expensive attachments. Compare that to my 200+ raging fists and the auto looks kinda weak.

Post by **Sugami** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:14 pm

From what I've seen Automatons will pass around 9% (about double a Wyvern) and Raging Fists can be anywhere from 50-300 considering it relies on accuracy and you have a C skill

Even still Master+Automaton < Any DD that isn't asleep half the time but it's not by nearly as much as a lot of people seem to think.

Parser results were from an experienced PUP in the PUP forums.

Eviticus · Post by **Eviticus** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:02 pm

Can't wait for them to finish Pup. Anyways, yeah, if you're fighting a pet job, they can only resummon them once if their timer is up. (If it isn't up, they can't resummon at all. So while the pet is weaker, the master is alot weaker without the pet then with the pet. So it just depends on how quickly you can take out the pet.

As a Drg/Mage, I run away like a little girl if I have no wyvern and I'm doing 1v1.

Bitneko · Post by **Bitneko** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:26 pm

Sugami wrote:From what I've seen Automatons will pass around 9% (about double a Wyvern) and Raging Fists can be anywhere from 50-300 considering it relies on accuracy and you have a C skill
Even still Master+Automaton < Any DD that isn't asleep half the time but it's not by nearly as much as a lot of people seem to think.

Parser results were from an experienced PUP in the PUP forums.

I don't use a parser, I just eyeball it. I like to think I'm pretty accurate at that but still open to human error.

Plus I'm too lazy to get a parser.

Post by **Karou Ariyen** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:40 am

raging fists tonight for me varried 190-400 why? cuz im /war and i used acc food boosting str and unlike most pups I dont suck

Post by **Sugami** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:30 pm

Think most PUPs on Bahamut are pretty good at what they do, it's only the hardcore dedicated ones still left

Post by **Karou Ariyen** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:57 pm

There's only 10 good pups on Hades and I'm in the top 5. If that's not hardcore I dont know what is. Last night after pulling 43 and 44, i spent 5 hours soloing off Ep to finish off to 45

Post by **Sugami** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:15 pm

Wouldn't it have been quicker to get another party?

Eviticus · Post by **Eviticus** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:51 pm

Soloing while lfp ftw. (^.^)b Common strategy for us. And by us, I mean jobs that can solo EP-T effectively, unlike lolwar or lolmnk.

Post by **Karou Ariyen** » Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:04 pm

I wasnt LFP, I was trying to finish off my 1k tnl w/o getting a pt

Post by **Sugami** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 5:02 pm

But you spent 5 hours doing it

Bitneko · Post by **Bitneko** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 8:02 pm

I just choose not to solo, if I want exp that bad I'll make a pt or level another pet job, seeing as I'm addicted to em.

Post by **Karou Ariyen** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 5:33 pm

I spent 5 hours beating up EP w/o an empress band whose exp was 15 a peice, in battalia, I did it becuase frankly, At 3am, I dont want to waste time LFP or a better exp zone. I died once I was 30 tnl and raise set me back to 500 tnl. I then swore off Evil Weapons and Focused on Kiting Gobbies with my Automaton...

Basically Aurore Engages in her Ranger Body. I sneak around And raging fists from behind.... massive damage