Dual Wielding for Thiefs = Icky

Lihera · Post by **Lihera** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:20 pm

*talks with mouth full*
What bunnies?

Maezen · Post by **Maezen** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:34 pm

hehe i realize we don't stay on topic well...Lihera at least let me stew the rabbits first

and Neo, I'm not demanding you pull those types of monsters but just trying to help you think about your tanks, the whole "Yummy targets" in the FFXI guide is true to a point, if you choose good targets then it's better off for the party and for you (xp wise). Try to convince your pt's to level in places where you know the layout, the mobs in the general vicinity and you'll be regarded as a great puller if you can chain in big xp with little downtime

elita · Post by **elita** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 10:48 pm

all i have to say is <3 lvl 74+ THF/NIN. in a lvl PT you can chose anything you want but if you ever expect to do any end game content you NEED ninja sub. dual wield or not utsusemi is the most valuable tool a thf can have, with it you can solo almost anything as a thf.

Prrsha · Post by **Prrsha** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 11:44 pm

Kittycat solos Behemoths as THF/NIN on Ragnarok heh.

Aony · Post by **Aony** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 12:31 am

Neoshinobi wrote:
Maezen wrote:
Neoshinobi wrote: Try dying every other fight from sand spider's special in Quicksand Caves...or from Exorays in Crawler's Nest...

I've found a nin tank to be better as those situations are almost always avoided and when its a pld half the time he's not at full health and dies from the attack whereas the nin is usaully at 75% or more...
if you had read my post i explained that each type of tank is good in it's own situation. As a pld, you should beg or order your party to NOT fight against monsters that have the 1hit KO moves. As a Ninja fight kicking and screaming to never fight monk type monsters or ones that have AoEs.

I feel like i'm not being listened to
I'm a thief and I don't enjoy being told not to pull certain monsters because of a bad party...but more than often I end up _having_ to pull something like it because theres theres usually nothing else.

ok, first: if you dont like searching for specific mobs think of this: would you rather take a while to find a good mob, or die alot? Always being the puller myself i can kind of relate but also having leveled thf as my first job all the way through to lvl 30 with no pl or anthing, especially from 10-15, i learned alot of patience, mainly the 2 hour wait to find a party. Then it just kind of stayed with me the rest of the time.

second: usually there is something else...just it's not smart to attack it

third: I've decided to start coloring my posts

fourth: i'm listing alot of useless information arent I?

fifth: that's alot of quote-in-quote!

Neoshinobi · Post by **Neoshinobi** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 6:38 pm

Aony wrote:
Neoshinobi wrote:
Maezen wrote: if you had read my post i explained that each type of tank is good in it's own situation. As a pld, you should beg or order your party to NOT fight against monsters that have the 1hit KO moves. As a Ninja fight kicking and screaming to never fight monk type monsters or ones that have AoEs.

I feel like i'm not being listened to
I'm a thief and I don't enjoy being told not to pull certain monsters because of a bad party...but more than often I end up _having_ to pull something like it because theres theres usually nothing else.
ok, first: if you dont like searching for specific mobs think of this: would you rather take a while to find a good mob, or die alot? Always being the puller myself i can kind of relate but also having leveled thf as my first job all the way through to lvl 30 with no pl or anthing, especially from 10-15, i learned alot of patience, mainly the 2 hour wait to find a party. Then it just kind of stayed with me the rest of the time.

second: usually there is something else...just it's not smart to attack it

third: I've decided to start coloring my posts

fourth: i'm listing alot of useless information arent I?

fifth: that's alot of quote-in-quote!

Oh thats nothing.

Post by **Alya Mizar (Tsybil)** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:41 pm

Neoshinobi · Post by **Neoshinobi** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:28 pm

Tsybil wrote:

Kahvi · Post by **Kahvi** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:29 am

Neoshinobi wrote:
Aony wrote:
Neoshinobi wrote: I'm a thief and I don't enjoy being told not to pull certain monsters because of a bad party...but more than often I end up _having_ to pull something like it because theres theres usually nothing else.
ok, first: if you dont like searching for specific mobs think of this: would you rather take a while to find a good mob, or die alot? Always being the puller myself i can kind of relate but also having leveled thf as my first job all the way through to lvl 30 with no pl or anthing, especially from 10-15, i learned alot of patience, mainly the 2 hour wait to find a party. Then it just kind of stayed with me the rest of the time.

second: usually there is something else...just it's not smart to attack it

third: I've decided to start coloring my posts

fourth: i'm listing alot of useless information arent I?

fifth: that's alot of quote-in-quote!
Oh thats nothing.

Woah... thats like... deep yo...

Lihera · Post by **Lihera** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 3:14 am

hmph. beat that.

Back on topic

, I think it REALLY DOESN't MATTER what your sub is, whatever makes you happy. I know a few THF/DRG's (sata jump), and a few THF/DRK ({Souleater} + {Last Resort} + SATA {Dancing Edge} {Yes Please})

Lunaleska · Post by **Lunaleska** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:42 pm

once again, after reading the first 10 replys, I got too lazy. so if I post something someone already said, I am sorry.

Here is how I feel for this topic.

I'd day you try it out first, I see the person who post this topic doesn't even have nin unlucked yet. Thf can sub many many different jobs depends on the party and what you are doing. I know that is not the topic, so let's not go there.

Duel weapon is important for thfs I think for the reason here.
1st
Stat bonus. Do you know there are weapon that give you dex+7?, do you know there are weapons that give you agi+7? or simply atk+10, or acc +10? Thfs can use shield, but not that much good shield with good bonus.
2nd, you can use 2 weapons doesn't mean you "have" to use 2 daggers, 2 swords. Thf's most damaging WS is from dagger, so main weapon usually use dagger. but on your off hand, some thf use K Club, attacks many times to get tp, with thf's triple attack, they get tp even faster then rng or sam sometimes.
3rd You are level 38 now, so you think lv 1 to 50 is longer then lv 50 to 75...... do the math by how much exp needed to level up, not just by level. lv 70 to lv 75's exp = level 1 to 40 alone, you do the math.

And of course, there are a lot more reasons that why a thf should sub nin, not other jobs for exp party. But that is not the topic, so I am not going there.

Rakshasa · Post by **Rakshasa** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:25 pm

Lihera wrote:

hmph. beat that.

Back on topic , I think it REALLY DOESN't MATTER what your sub is, whatever makes you happy. I know a few THF/DRG's (sata jump), and a few THF/DRK ({Souleater} + {Last Resort} + SATA {Dancing Edge} {Yes Please})

Keep in mind there there is almost always a way to one-up someone.

Either way, I agree with you, Lihera. For Thief, there really is no good or bad sub as long as it's a melee job. I would like to think that THF/BLM would be shunned. >.< Although, THF/PLD sounds pretty bad...

Baketsu · Post by **Baketsu** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:58 pm

Thanks for crashing my browser!!

Rakshasa · Post by **Rakshasa** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:28 am

Baketsu wrote:Thanks for crashing my browser!!

My pleasure. Just be glad there seems to be a limit on the number of quotes you can have. Otherwise, Lihera would have crashed everyone's long before I even got a chance to post another.

There were about fifty "quotes" and "/quotes" typed when I quoted her.

Kahvi · Post by **Kahvi** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 4:41 am

this thread is glitched at least, tho.. the page layout is all fragged.

needless to say when i saw that and was strung out on Mountain Dew i was like.. woah its almost like looking into infinity.

Neoshinobi · Post by **Neoshinobi** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:18 pm

Kahvi wrote:this thread is glitched at least, tho.. the page layout is all fragged.

needless to say when i saw that and was strung out on Mountain Dew i was like.. woah its almost like looking into infinity.

Yah cause you were caffein-ed up...

Sugarpie · Post by **Sugarpie** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:10 am

y'll are off topic again <.<

Lihera · Post by **Lihera** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 6:09 am

Since when has that ever stopped us?

Post by **Tivia** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 2:14 pm

I think the better question is, When are we ever On topic?

Post by **Alya Mizar (Tsybil)** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 7:52 pm

Oh look!!! Is that a brrright shiny ball???

Neoshinobi · Post by **Neoshinobi** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:09 am

Thiefs make good ninjas...There were back ontopic

.

At this point though I'm thinking of other subjobs out there...

Lihera · Post by **Lihera** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 4:26 am

Woohoo! New page!

Neoshinobi · Post by **Neoshinobi** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 7:46 am

Lihera wrote:Woohoo! New page!

And I was the queen that made it

Meowmixer · Post by **Meowmixer** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 7:51 pm

YEAH! HORAY FOR THE NEW PAGE!

Kandora · Post by **Kandora** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 8:48 pm

I was going blind looking at the last page, not to mention it was really hard to tell what was the actual post.

Now, how about those Dual Wielding bunnies?

Aony · Post by **Aony** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 8:27 pm

I like ranger. I was lvlin last night for the first time (I havent been leveling AT ALL for about a month, mainly crafting [woodworking at apprentice rank!] and fishing[going for Lu Shang Rod] have been at same lvl for a month) and i really liked it. I'm considering making it my main, but until then, it shall be my thf sub.

Darknei · Post by **Darknei** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 6:24 pm

Here are some thoughts from a lvl 34 pld

I dont like thief/nin because it gives them a sense of invulnerability. One time in kazahm, a thief/nin i pted with pulled, immediately saed, and before i could get hate back, the mandy cast sleep. Since it was still on the thief, i couldnt wake up, and the thief took a beating till i could. Id rather a thief not have the security of utsusemi when choosing targets. Also, since i use cure to draw hate, i cant regain hate from a thief/nin with utsu on till it wears off,unless i have shield bash ready, or voke is up. I dont yet know what monsters attacks are like beyond my lvl, but i dont want a thief drawing attention and getting a nasty status or aoe attack.

I also dont like it due to the cost of entry, and nin too for that matter. The game takes long enough without needing to farm for stacks of shihei from lvl 12 on, and i think this has also contributed to the shortage of tanks in general. Nin as main or sub is a high lvl's job, and the preponderance of them discourages newer players from trying to lvl a tank. I hate being told that a ninja can do what i can better, while ppl gripe about how hard it is to find tanks.

In my view, filling your role well is all that matters. A thief is to pull and help consolidate aggro while doing moderate damage. I dont think that the choice of sub affects the core duties of a thief greatly, as opposed to a pal subbing other than war, or a nin subbing the same. The danger of elitism is that you wind up having an ever smaller crowd of elitists to choose from. I'd hate to see thief become like white mage in the amount of people who choose to play it.

mozyr · Post by **mozyr** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:03 am

........*jumps on Darknei's head and starts beating him with her fists*

WHEN DID YOU HIT 34 AND NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT??

/random off-topic post

-- Sarah

Kahvi · Post by **Kahvi** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:47 am

I tried Dual Wielding bunnies once... I perfer Gopher-chucks myself.

back on topic.. i think... >.>

Jaela · Post by **Jaela** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 5:53 pm

Ooh...my topic is so big now...

Sexeh~

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