I owe Sugami a keg of cat nip right now.

Post by **Fiye** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:55 am

So, Friday I went off to Arrapago Reef to do a bit of ToAU unlocking. I had gotten BLU unlocked the day before and went off to get PUP unlocked with COR.

Well, first up to try was Corsair, because after Sugami's little COR rant, I decided to try it out.

And holy crap. I am seriously liking that job a hell of alot BETTER than Bard.

Its not a matter of pressing two macros and running back and forth from the offensive line and the back-up mages. No, its that, and more.

Seriously... the whole dice thing has me enticed. Just spinning rolls and seeing how close to 11 I can get without busting is a fun thing. Not to mention you get a gun (Which is gimped unless you managed to have a high level Warrior or Ranger or find a WHM kind enough to help you skill it up.).

I'm bring it to level60 as soon as I can. Gonna switch from /THF to /RNG anytime soon (As soon as I feel like bringing a sixth job through the Dunes).

Now if I could only convince that damn Tarutaru that COR are better than BRD (a 5 MP/tick max Regen with one buff and +12 hMP is more than enough to outbeat BRD. That is, if you manage to have a SMN and WHM in the same party. Even if the chances of managing all that are near insanely lucky.)

Post by **Sugami** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 1:50 pm

Err... yay?

BTW your best bet is to level RNG before hand. That'll get your Marksmanship up to scratch and is also your best sub from 22-72.

Eviticus · Post by **Eviticus** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:57 pm

Having taken Brd to 60(and loving it, by the way), I think I know why they introduced Cor.

Because bard songs are static. Ok, well, they go up with level and instruments. But they are static other then that. Ballad = 1mp/tic, ballad 2 = 2mp/tic. Minuet will give the same Atk in one fight as it does the next, and the next, and the ones after that. Cor can give better bonuses, but it can also give worse. It gives the Cor something to think about and contemplate as they play.

I hit my macro for the frontlines and watch as my character switches gear in and out and sings my highest Minuet, then my highest Madrigal. I sit and watch for 20 odd secs while they beat on the mob. Then I run my fuzzy butt off and sing double ballad for the mages. Recast blink/stoneskin, and I go pull another mob. Same thing, every party.

Cor seem more -engaged- with what they are doing. Roll, result. Do I need to go higher? Double up, stop giving me ones! Double up, low number........I'll chance it! Double up, 11!

On the bright side, I don't have to buy bullets as Bard.

Post by **Fiye** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:06 pm

Eviticus wrote:Cor seem more -engaged- with what they are doing. Roll, result. Do I need to go higher? Double up, stop giving me ones! Double up, low number........I'll chance it! Double up, 11!

Indeed, they are. Although, I love it when you get good a streak of luck and everyone's like "Jesus christ go to Vegas right now!"

Eviticus wrote:On the bright side, I don't have to buy bullets as Bard.

Oh yes, but you have to buy that 150k Monster Signa, as well as other VERY expensive items that improve charisma by a substancial amount.

Although, at least you can sell it back. Bullets are just eaten up.

Pheonixhawk · Post by **Pheonixhawk** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:47 am

COR is not better than Brd. Brd is not better that Cor. Having a Rdm + Brd + Cor pwns all living things.

Keavy · Post by **Keavy** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:24 pm

Fiye wrote:
Eviticus wrote:Cor seem more -engaged- with what they are doing. Roll, result. Do I need to go higher? Double up, stop giving me ones! Double up, low number........I'll chance it! Double up, 11!
Indeed, they are. Although, I love it when you get good a streak of luck and everyone's like "Jesus christ go to Vegas right now!"

Eviticus wrote:On the bright side, I don't have to buy bullets as Bard.
Oh yes, but you have to buy that 150k Monster Signa, as well as other VERY expensive items that improve charisma by a substancial amount.

Although, at least you can sell it back. Bullets are just eaten up.

You don't HAVE to have a Monster Signa. It is nice, but CHR+ Rings and Food (Tea and Sushi) work just fine. In fact, I rarely see Bard's with Monster Signa's anymore. Only people I see with them are BST's.

Post by **Sugami** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:05 pm

CHR only improves accuracy of offensive songs, and unless you're over camping I've rarely seen a BRD get resisted by much.

Cor seem more -engaged- with what they are doing. Roll, result. Do I need to go higher? Double up, stop giving me ones! Double up, low number........I'll chance it! Double up, 11!

That's the idea however the fun of risking for XI and gambling runs dry once you get to Lv10

Ontop of that a lot of CORs don't play for the risk and never even gamble when the odds are heavily in their favour and that just makes me cry

BTW standard bullets aren't too expensive. If you buy them from an NPC in the metal works. Can buy 12 stacks, get 12 carnations and get them pouched yourself.

Post by **Fiye** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:19 pm

Pheonixhawk wrote:COR is not better than Brd. Brd is not better that Cor. Having a Rdm + Brd + Cor pwns all living things.

Yeah, and then give the Bard the Gjallarhorn.

+15 MP refresh. Not to mention if you add in a Noble's Tunic and Sanction.

+17 MP/tick.

*Drools*

Eviticus · Post by **Eviticus** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:05 pm

Hehe, funny thing about Monster Signa...I worried my fuzzy head off about that when I started leveling, then I looked into it. By the time you actually need all that Chr for debuffs, there's many other options avalibe to you for Chr. Personally I went with HP/MP staves until AF weapon, a dagger with Chr and Agi. Slap an Elegant Sheild on and that's even more Chr with a bit of mp too. Chr rings, the totally broken Jester's Cape and Corsette, plus one where avalibe.

And by the way, I hear people say tea and all of that. Sandy Tea or whatever. Here's a hint, go to the Chai house in Whitegate and buy some Chai. -Exact- same effects and duration....but instead of 3k for a multi hour food, it's 87 gil. Cannot beat that. By the time it wears, you pretty much have to go back for Sanction Refresh anyways.

Post by **Sugami** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:17 pm

Fiye wrote: Yeah, and then give the Bard the Gjallarhorn.

+15 MP refresh. Not to mention if you add in a Noble's Tunic and Sanction.

+17 MP/tick.

*Drools*

Really??? 5 times the potency?

Eviticus · Post by **Eviticus** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:42 pm

CHR: 4
All songs: 2
Instrument Skill: 10
Singing Skill: 10

So essentially it gives +20 points to your skill to help versus resists(22 if you believe like some do that 4 chr=2 skill as far as resists are concerned.).

But I don't see how you're getting 15mp/tic? +2 song for ballad would make ballad I give 3, and ballad II give 4, for a total of 7. Tunic and sanction make that 9ish. What am I missing?

Igihstehr · Post by **Igihstehr** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:26 pm

{Clear Mind} from sub?

Post by **Fiye** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 9:44 pm

Eviticus wrote:CHR: 4
All songs: 2
Instrument Skill: 10
Singing Skill: 10

So essentially it gives +20 points to your skill to help versus resists(22 if you believe like some do that 4 chr=2 skill as far as resists are concerned.).

But I don't see how you're getting 15mp/tic? +2 song for ballad would make ballad I give 3, and ballad II give 4, for a total of 7. Tunic and sanction make that 9ish. What am I missing?

I was talking about if we combined the Forces of a Corsair (At full potential), Red Mage, and Bard w/ Gjallarhorn.

You'd easily hit off with 3 from Refresh, plus 5 with Evoker's Roll (11) w/ Summoner. Not to mention Bard which would give out 7 MP.

So, thats a 15 MP/tick. Then add in Auto-Refresh from a job, Sanction with Refresh benefit, and a Noble's Tunic or something of the sort.

Thats +18 MP/tick.

You'll never sit again.

ScarlettPheonix · Post by **ScarlettPheonix** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:49 pm

For a few minutes anyway until the COR has to reroll. You also forgot to add in Soul Voice to the equation- that boosts Ballad's potency as well for 3(?) minutes.

Clear Mind only effects your hMP rate not Refresh/Ballad, by the way Igihstehr.

Post by **Fiye** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:36 am

25 MP/tick.

Holy f***.

One day I will manage this... one day I will.

Eviticus · Post by **Eviticus** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:35 pm

Why? ^.^; Even with 6-7 MP/tic I see in parties where we have a Bard, Rdm, and Sanction Refresh that seems to be enough to pull constantly with no down time. 10mp/tic would be sic, 15 would be godly, and 25 is just too much. Are you chainspelling nukes?