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Neoshinobi wrote:What their actually trying to fix sounds vague...seeing as it broke my windower

blowfin wrote:

If SE had been ok with the idea of the windower, they would have made the game windowable... that alone should be enough of a thought to chew on.

So true, and they wouldn't have released a game update which targets the windower.

They definitely are not ok with it if you go and read the press release about yesterdays update.

We're not cool with the windower

But i'll be buggered if i'm not going to use my PC as the multitasking beast it's meant to be...

EDIT: Just looking at the planned updates of Archbell it's no suprise that Square want to stop it's use when you read that the next version is going to include components like the external text plugin...no big suprise they want to stop it.

plutoknight wrote: Let me try this again:

The Windower has been confirmed to be required for the "teleportation" hack that was -supposed- to (but according to some sources, wasn't) be patched. IT's being used as part of a Hack that is severely messing up the way the game is played.

Now, is that "going 70 in a 65 MPH zone?" Seems more like a Police chase than a speeding ticket to me.

With Speeding, you have 2 choices. Go slow, f**k up everyone behind you. Go the same speed as everyone else, risk being caught by a Police officer wanting a nice boost in his paycheck.

With the Windower, It's not so "cut and dry". You may be legit, using the Windower, but for nothing malicous. Sure, its aginst the ToS, but, again, like you said, its nothing worth mentioning.

You may use the Windower and buy gil while playing FFXI. See that Mythril Heart? ITs the only one up in the AH and you want it. Now. Window FFXI, go to www.iamsuchalowlifeisellgil.com, and just follow the site. That's going a step further. I'd say...to use your (very nice comparision, I might add) words, "75 mph in a 65 zone"

Here's where the fun begins:
Packet Sniffers, and the "teleportation" hack, all required FFXI be windowed. How does one get FFXI windowed without using a Windower? They don't, probably, unless your an OMG I'm Awesome! hacker, who could probably get a job and get paid much better money than supporting a game hack.

With the release of open source plugins, there is absolutely no telling what can happen. They can stay as harmless as making our players dumber, or they can go much further, becoming full-fledged voke bots, fish bots, packet sniffers, auto-claimers for Argus, etc. The post on the Archbell forums telling people to "not create malicious plugiins" is a false defense. They know full well people will do that, they are just trying to pretend they dont condone the action. Obviously they do, or they wouldn't create open source plugins, and just keep them in-house.


Now, creating a Windower is just barely violating the ToS. Nothing that'll get you banned. Using the Windower in a hack and justifying a reason for SE to ban it, then pretending "Oh,t hat never happened, please dont ruin my fun, I still wanna use it" is just....hypocritical


Now, there ARE people that are willing to hack regardless of the Windower. But, The ratio of "smart hackers" to "omg a program that promises I'd get all NM claims. UB3R GILZ!!!!11" is 1:Someinsanely large number. If someone just wants to cheat to gain an advantage, they won't bother with anything aside from downloading a program or 2 and setting it up according to the website.

The "real hackers" should probably not be bothering hacking a MMO. They only do it for the glory and "because we can".

Trust me, I know both sides of the coin in that respect. I was the guy who went "OMG I CAN MAKE A +99 WEAPON WITH THIS 3 LINE CODE, ALL I NEED IS AN AGREEMENT BREAKING CODEBREAKER!!" on PSO, and I often posted on boards that were frequented by the people who gave me the codes. Why? "Because we can".

(and for the curious, yea I got banned from PSO V.2 on the Dreamcast, damn lv 600 Mag)

Josiejo wrote:haha... a LITTLE more intense? Simulating an OS would be much more intense than a hooking program. Understatement of the year...