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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 8:29 pm
by Dukuji
It is true that a market savy person can turn a decent profit by simple investing. The market on these items tend to be much more elastic and have a wider range of buyers and sellers.

When it comes to making money, I have made most of my money through the ways Tivia has nicely outlined. I make most of it (well made, not playing very much atm) through one of three ways; of which I'll share (even though we are now slightly off the topic of this tread :oops: ):

(1) Doing what Tivia does. The old buy low, sell high. Most of this comes stuff I've shopped around for, bought it, used it, and then sold it for a higher amount. (I bought a full set of Eisen gear for about 50k, used it, then sold it for about 120k) This is not a sure fire way to making gil. Sometimes this method will back fire on you or the expected profits will be just too low. Another thing is that other people may be onto the same “investing” that you are on and therefore you’ll have to keep your ideas fresh and keep your items varied.

(2) I use my craft; smithing. I do this by: (a) watching the market on smithing materials and products like a hawk and know what I can turn a profit on; and (b) making smithing consumables. The second way tends to be the more steady income way but the lower ROIC method. (If I mine my own ore I get an even higher ROIC at the cost of time.)

(3) Farming . . . bleh, not at my level. I don't do this as a major source income.

Okay back to the subject of this post -->

Now, even though many people have tricks and gimmicks to making gil the fact still stands that SE has a problem with outside businesses making money off of their product and abusing their game at the cost of the people who play this game legit (my opinion). As far as earning gil to buy the items I want to make myself a priceless Ninja, I'd rather not have to pay an overly-large sum of gil to a bunch pirates who will take the gil I spent so much time and effort on just to sell it for RL money and make a RL profit off of it. I believe this is wrong and needs to be stopped; if not at least addressed by SE.

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 1:24 am
by Prrsha
I'm up for some Gil seller MPKing.

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:56 am
by Alya Mizar (Tsybil)
Buying and selling....

In my early days I would keep my AH slots full by buying retail at the shops and reselling at the AH. Today, in San d'Oria, I can still buy Cesti at the weapon shop, ~ 100 Gil, walk a couple of blocks to the AH, and turn them for 500 - 600.

I was the best dressed RDM with no sub job you ever saw. :D

There are many games within this game. So few play the economic game.

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 5:36 am
by maryadavies
I did the same thing with spell scrolls for the longest time, until the prices on the AH went way down..that doesn't make gil fast enough anymore. Now I make gil from mithakabobs and whatever else I can craft that sells for more than what it takes to make it.

Anyway speaking of gilsellers, some gilsellers on our server got some just desserts so don't tell me GM's don't do nuthin'. And may that guy who made that paticular topic and his friends (I think they started a LS called FarmTHIS to try and stop the gilsellers) stop those filthy rotten gilsellers who camp the Stroper who like to train stuff so you can't target that NM! I understand a group locked Stroper down all weekend to try to thwart the gilsellers...

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 2:32 pm
by Gwynn
maryadavies wrote:I understand a group locked Stroper down all weekend to try to thwart the gilsellers...
On Bismark i've seen this happen. A Level 75 Paladin singlehandedly shut down the archer's ring trade. He provoked it on a friday night, and sucessfully tanked it for 5 full days. He never went idle. His friends beat up all the trains that gillsellers tried to bring in on him. He had a GM come in (invis) and watch. Nothing he was doing was against S-E policy, and stated as much, in shouts.

It was funny. I went in there to hunt the stroper myself. I sat there and was angry for a while... I didn't know what was happening. When the first jerries came in with a train, like 8 people all un-invisibled and began laying the smack down on the train. It was hilarious.

They asked me what I was doing there, and I said I came for the stroper, but it was too funny watching them defend it from the Jerries. Suddenly I get an invite, So naturally I accept. turns out there was an alliance of people who, just like me, came to out-hunt the jerries but decided to Defend the paladin when told what was going on. There were eight people in the stroper's area itself, and another eight out killing everything they could so there would be nothing to train into the area.

It was truely amazing. Someone had an unopened LS on them and formed the "CounterGS" Linkshell. We gained like 45-50 members over the course of the Paladin's tanking as people cycled in and out.

After so long of a tank, the Pally D/Ced and the people in the alliance pounced on it. Apparently they didn't even get a drop after all that. :)

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 8:29 pm
by Tivia
I would have Paid to see that Gwynn..That is simply a Riot. :lol:

Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 1:48 am
by Alya Mizar (Tsybil)
Funny as heck Gwynn :lol: :lol: :lol:

Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 2:00 am
by Roscoe
>< I Hate Gil Sellers for the most part, Especially the lvl 50 rank 1's who Constantly Hunt NM's /Farm >< There is not a whole lot I can Do about it accept say that I support you , and Goooooodluck >^n.n^< :)

Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 10:00 am
by Eviticus

Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:01 pm
by Alya Mizar (Tsybil)
:shock: :shock: :shock:

Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 7:28 pm
by Dukuji
*Stands next to Tsybil*

:o :shock: :o :shock: :o :shock:


*Thinks to herself, "Will the day of reckoning come?"*

Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 3:32 am
by Kopopo
I'm bringing about my own end.

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:32 pm
by Swipe
Well... ... ...

I think just about everything has been said that I would want to say on this issue :P

In ze end, it is ze Nazis at Zquare-Enix who use ze 'do az little az possible' ztance for zeir regulation of ze rules, zat makes gil-selling possible.

With just a few quick changes to the game.. it would totally debunk the gil-sellers. But... .... the bottom line is, it hurts their wallets do to so.. so ..

Zey do NUTZING!


...

MPK party, anyone? :D

—Swipe

Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:35 pm
by Kopopo
Zey are doIng nosing?! Zat iz note gewd, we must stop zem! But how?