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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:06 am
by Keavy
ScarlettPheonix wrote:And your RDMs and WHMs love you for that
I absolutely loved it when I had a DD who knew that they became MP Sponges with Haste and asked to not have it cast on them.
I absolutely hate it when I had a DD spam "Haste plz" as soon as it wore and continued to do so even while I WAS CASTING IT!!!
I have a lot of rage mainly directed towards the people I party with. I think its because I expect people to understand that my duties in a party are as follows:
1. Keep yo' asses alive.
2. Cast enhancing spells.
3. Remove enfeebles.
4. Look damn good doing it.
Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 1:00 pm
by Sugami
Hehe as a DRG or WAR I don't expect Haste nor will I ask for it but I will be happy if I get it
Not only does Haste help NIN's recast timers but it gives an added kick to their psuedo-Haste from Dual Wield, a double whammy
If a Hasted SAM stole hate from a NIN (pre-WS) that NIN must suck, a SAM's power is from their WS and ability to get TP quicker, standard hits are a little weak compared to the other hard hitting DDs.
As a RDM I'd only Haste one person for a couple of reasons;
1) 40MP is a lot to a RDM.
2) I usually forget to Haste people other than the tank
So glad I'm through with RDM now

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 2:17 pm
by ScarlettPheonix
TP parties are a different story when it comes to haste, its traditional parties that I'm usually referring to when I talk about my Haste priorities.
If I'm the main healer- I'm the final say on who gets what buff and in what order. Its not so much the 40MP Haste costs, but the very good chance of having to waste more MP keeping the damage happy fool alive- and for that, yes- I'll happily slow down the speed of the party to keep everyone alive to get exp.
If everyone needs to be hasted to kill at a reasonable rate of speed, then the party is over hunting anyway.
My haste priority is simple:
Tanks (always)
DRGs
THFs (especially if pulling as /nin)
anyone subbing /nin (for recasts)
BLUs
DRK, SAM, MNK (IF subbing something besides /war and only if they don't become an MP Black Hole)
/war? Forget it- No way in hell. I've had to drop too many Cure bombs on too many "HASTE ME!!!s" to make it worth my time, MP- and if they complain too much- my energy or risk my exp to be in that party with them.
Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:28 pm
by Keavy
I always Haste the Tank (Even if I have 40MP left I cast Haste on the tank before I heal) and the same with Regen II on the Tank. Anyone that needs Haste (2-handed weapon users, NIN subbers, Thief) and Regen II goes to pullers, SATA partners, and the DRK if they're using Souleater.
That eats up a good portion of my MP and covers pretty much everyone. I adjust Haste as needed. Most Monk's at first insist on it, then after the mob lives a little longer than planned and makes them tank they ask to be left out of my Haste cycle.
Believe it or not, I am a competent WHM. Most party members forget i'm there! I'll ding and they'll be like "Oh, hey Keavy. Forgot you were still here. Congrats on the level up."

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:42 pm
by Alya Mizar (Tsybil)
Kintrra wrote:Well, the only problem I can see with that Haste-lessness, is that it slows down your pt's killing capabilities. And in the newer areas now, with the extra 1mp/tick Sanction Refresh, MP problems are slightly less than they were. So more commonly now, Haste is just more of a means of getting things dead faster.

End game merit/EXP parties are not the same thing at all.
For the vast majority of your leveling time, Haste on all the melees speeds up the kills while shortening the chains.
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 3:11 pm
by Sugami
ScarlettPheonix wrote:My haste priority is simple:
Tanks (always)
DRGs
THFs (especially if pulling as /nin)
anyone subbing /nin (for recasts)
BLUs
DRK, SAM, MNK (IF subbing something besides /war and only if they don't become an MP Black Hole)
/war? Forget it- No way in hell. I've had to drop too many Cure bombs on too many "HASTE ME!!!s" to make it worth my time, MP- and if they complain too much- my energy or risk my exp to be in that party with them.
As a DRG I thank you

though personally I'd give THF priority over DRG mainly for the fact that they usually pull. DRGs have 3 free hits in 3mins and have no problem getting TP (unless they really suck).
Also BLUs have Refueling so I wouldn't waste MP on them
