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Kahvi wrote:(goes anon to hide the obvious rdm/whm listing)

Hehe {/comfort} WHM is a perfectly acceptable sub, I just happen to think you'll get more out of /BLM in most situations.

Tsybil wrote: The only real reason to /WHM is when there is no WHM or /WHM in the party. Now ask yourself, how often does that happen? I do not mind being the main healer, but how often is a RDM the ONLY healer? /WHM when there is a BRD in the party? Pardon me but when did you last see a BRD who was not /WHM?

In parties where it is only RDM and BRD (WAR/MNK/NIN burn parties) and there are a lot of status effects being thrown out and AoE a BRDs MP pool for these things just doesn't cut it and individual cures against AoEs isn't efficient

Firemyst wrote: Good to know you trust a guide than your own experimintation. Of course, the game is nothing but people carbon copying each other and only expecting one thing.

Our COR in valor (75 I might add) did COR/WHM. Screw your guide. Why can't people play their own game anymore?

Like I said 22-70 it's the best choice and I've been extremely happy with my performance using RNG sub. It's also prooven that no other sub will give as much accuracy and damage.
RNG has B in Axe so why don't they melee? What would you say to a BRD who doesn't give the mages ballad or the melees their songs? It's essentially the same thing.

I said 22-70 'cause at 22 is when gun damage matters and past 70, more so around 73, fights are really quick and this makes landing shots quite tricky. People start gaining TP with melee then stand back and Slug Shot.

COR/WHM == gimp BRD in my opinion. They'll never be able to buff as well as BRDs and can't Dispel or Sleep and subbing mage takes away a HUGE amount of their damage potential.
Outside of EXP parties it has its uses although I'd say /RDM is a better choice for Magic Accuracy Bonus (buffs Quick Draw) and Dispel.

Play their own game, huh? Would you say that to a BRD/BLM because hot damn those gimped nukes are so important for the party, or a RDM/NIN because we know they must dual wield melee to make themselves useful.
It's not a guide, more like a general consensus between the CORs of that forum.

Keavy wrote: Although, I would never nerf my own party just to do my own thing which is why unlike most of the RDM's in Quifm I don't sub a <10 Monk to my RDM.

Exactly my point.

Eviticus wrote: Lv 20 Pup/Drg. Play your own game, and embarrass others with your damage output.

Actually PUPs been talking about subbing DRG in early levels Think you get an Attack Bonus at lv20. PUPs damage is pretty good till 30 then it levels off, after 50 it's a bit poor and after 60 you'll be crying.
Before Firemyst has a go at me again, these are not my words but those of experienced PUPs that have taken the job 60+.

Sugami wrote:

Kahvi wrote:(goes anon to hide the obvious rdm/whm listing)

Hehe {/comfort} WHM is a perfectly acceptable sub, I just happen to think you'll get more out of /BLM in most situations.

Actually, i've been nothing but /whm because i hate playing blm. I only leveled blm to 20 to get warp 1. I've main healed, been the only healer (warned people not to expect refresh or debuffs when i do it tho) and been debuffer with it. It was rough... but i was one of the few rdm/whm in a sea of rdm/blm on seraph... and if i never decided to hang up my warlock hat i could have been 75 now... or still 70 and trading punches with maat...

now since most whm are non-existant whenever i look around... i see lots of rdm/whm... or smn getting asked as main healers

SMN can main heal as long as they have a decent backup healer or a damn good Ninja tanking.

Overall their gimped WHM spells can't cut it as a main healer with a meat shield tank.

I've noticed that a number of people have been requesting (Begging for) my WHM services as of late. I kinda like it

Now if only I could get some of them to repay the favor when it comes to my AF.

Sugami wrote: In parties where it is only RDM and BRD (WAR/MNK/NIN burn parties) and there are a lot of status effects being thrown out and AoE a BRDs MP pool for these things just doesn't cut it and individual cures against AoEs isn't efficient

With a BRD and a RDM, the BRDs MP is not a problem. I Refresh my BRDs when they get under 1/2, many are surprised that I do it at all!! Then again I continue to be surprised when I see a BRD Divine Seal - Curaga II.

I seem to /WHM for spelcalised things, not just BCNMs but hunting Hecteyes or some missions.

Kahvi and Pheonixhawk, there is no problem in being a dedicated RDM/WHM or RDM/BLM but versatility is good. Indeed in my 70s I am starting to think about other subs for exactly that reason. Thank the goddess for BLU. It should keep me from having to level DRK.

First spare moment after I hit 72, I am going to /WHM and Chainspell Teleport, seeing how many stops I can make before I run out of MPs or time.

Sugami wrote: RNG has B in Axe so why don't they melee? What would you say to a BRD who doesn't give the mages ballad or the melees their songs? It's essentially the same thing.

I was pretty sure most RNG did melee sometimes? It's mostly just for gaining TP faster when Barrage isn't up or something. I've only taken it to 30, but I already know I do the most damage standing at a distance in my ranged weapon's "sweet spot", which is pretty much always out of melee range.

Yeah I tossed the odd Refresh on the BRD but AoEs were an issue; besides wasting MP it takes longer to Cure everyone separately than Curaga would plus you are expected to sub WHM for main healing these merit burn parties, I'd have friends bug me and I'd just say "No WHM sub", which would usually shut them up

RNG don't melee anymore because their damage is horribly gimped if they shoot at point blank. Before the nerf they would and would have amazing TP gain that made SAMs {/cry}

Headbutt isn't 100% Stun I think... the Stun percentage is probably gimped when it's subbed too so if you plan on taking RDM to Sky you'll still need /DRK personally I'd rather just be a Refresh and backup healing whore than a Stun spamga.

Keavy wrote:SMN can main heal as long as they have a decent backup healer or a damn good Ninja tanking.

Overall their gimped WHM spells can't cut it as a main healer with a meat shield tank.

I've had no problems with a Paladin tanking. In fact, I prefer it, becaue if the tank takes a heavy hit, he/she has Cure IV to hold hate and do a big heal while I'm working on my Cure III's.

I was in Bibiki with a Paladin tank for 5 hours and no one died. I used Titan's Earthen Ward and Barfira with Goblins and Diabolos' Noctoshield for Dhamels. We only rested like 3 times because of my insane MP at that level (903).

It all depends on the SMN and PLD in question, their style of play and how "good" they are
Not being either SMN or PLD I wouldn't know but I do know the odd SMN that doesn't like healing PLDs, I often end up contributing more heals as a RDM on a PLD with a SMN as main healer.

By "Meat Shield" I meant a WAR.

A good PLD makes a WHM V-E-R-Y B-O-R-E-D.

I just hate main healing as a Summoner because it seems like most players feel like a SMN = WHM.

Sadly 95% of parties expect you to take the WHMs spot, your DD skills aren't all that great till lv70.

I thought NINs made WHM bored, PLD you still throw heals on and there's Regen too but their hate keeping skills means you rarely have to heal anyone else...

nin at least has that spike of action when utsu is down and you gotta heal them while they try to get it back up...

Pld... well... they heal themselves to keep hate... and usually they are the only ones taking damage