MithraPride

Lihera wrote:Then again, what I am sick of, are people raging about how they should shut down the entire windower project, and that they are going to the equivalent of ffxi hell for doing so. There's also the type that keeps saying: I want my windower with no bells and whistles, (I'm about to make an @ss of myself here) guess what? There's this wonderful notion called "commenting out". Yes, this little "//" can be the difference between your windower having plugins or not, you don't have to go on your little crusade to stop everyone from using it. Mind your own beeswax already! (end @ssness).

The problem is that this program has dual uses. That’s what everyone is upset about.

What if I made a program that sounded a ding every time you got a tell but it also duped items and I bundled it into one program? I could go around spouting "Well, it's a /tell notifier not an item duping program! You could always CHOOSE not to use the item duping part of it!"

Yeah sure right... Any GM with half a brain SHOULD ban someone for running that program. Why? Because they COULD be using it to dupe items. You can't have an honor system with third party programs like that because people will always abuse it.

If Archbell was really concerned about making a harmless windower, he could do so easily. He has chosen not to and has crossed the line from a harmless program to a cheat utility. SE would be stupid not to intervene here.

And it is my "beeswax" BTW just as much as it is yours. I play FFXI just as you do and this program alters the way it is played.

Prrsha wrote:Yeah sure right... Any GM with half a brain SHOULD ban someone for running that program. Why? Because they COULD be using it to dupe items. You can't have an honor system with third party programs like that because people will always abuse it.

Now, this is where the entire flaw in my argument is. The people who will abuse the program will have it killed for the rest of us who want to change the application for beneficial purposes.

Lihera wrote:

Prrsha wrote:Yeah sure right... Any GM with half a brain SHOULD ban someone for running that program. Why? Because they COULD be using it to dupe items. You can't have an honor system with third party programs like that because people will always abuse it.

Now, this is where the entire flaw in my argument is. The people who will abuse the program will have it killed for the rest of us who want to change the application for beneficial purposes.

Which is why Archbell dug his own grave when he added plug-ins to it. If he wanted it to be a windower he should have kept it as such and not have added anything else.

This would make a difference if Square Enix hadn't backed off the use of utlities like these plugins. Re-read the agreements to play the game, and find me some text that bans the use of the plugins, let alone the windower itself. ^^

Firemyst wrote:This would make a difference if Square Enix hadn't backed off the use of utlities like these plugins. Re-read the agreements to play the game, and find me some text that bans the use of the plugins, let alone the windower itself. ^^

Ask and you shall receive:

Rules of Conduct

The following are against the Rules of Conduct:

-Using any programs not specified or provided by Square Enix

-Using a third party equipment and/or programs for controlling in-game characters without being physically present in front of the game terminal (i.e. using "bots")

License Agreement

2-4 Restrictions

To the maxium extent permitted by law, you may not:

(a) modify, reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the Licensed Software.

User Agreement

3-1 Prohibited Activities

(g) Use of any cheat codes or cheat devices.

There are many other examples in the rules you agreed to but most people don't look far enough (or want to).

The windower is rather like Marijuana. Most users use it recreationly and have no personal problems from its use. Some use it for great advantage over others, and some make a living off it. But as the vast majority of the users are inocent of any further crime they should be left alone right? Wrong. The net is cast not for the abusers alone but for all.

The vast majority of those caught and suspended or banned for using the windower will be recreational users.

The big question is, "Is the crime worth the time?" The odds that any one person will be caught is low BUT the punishment is... extreme. Rather similar to Texas where one joint could land you 20 years.

Think about it.

You can run other games like WoW in a window and there are no botters in those games...

Knowing the WoW peoples, they probably encourage botting too ...since they already encorage money buying. Mainly cause the WoW peoples give the game money to buyers to sell, and the WoW peoples get a cut of the real money.

In the new <a href="http://ffxi.archbell.com">FFXI Windower ver3.22 released April 29 2006</a>, you can disable all the so-called "cheats" by just unloading them. press `, then "unload TParty", enter, and ` again. or just edit the [b]init.txt[/b] file in the scripts folder to not even load them on the start-up. also if you edit the [b]Windorer.ini[/b] file to change the resolution to your desktop setting it will look and act just like it would normally, only you will have ALT-TAB capability. There should be no problem if you do this. I just want a computer to play FFXI on, not a SEI consol. I already have one of those, called a PS2.

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You play by SE's rules, or you run the risk of being punished. If you have a PS2, and you -really- want the use of your computer at the same time, then why not play FFXI on your PS2? I have no problem at all with spending a whole 45 sec's to log out and look something up online when I'm playing FFXI.