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Tsybil wrote:That is illegal by US and international law. We in the US would never do such a thing. Stage convent "accidents", Send Castro exploding cigars, have aircraft fly into mountains in clear weather, that's more our style.
Illegal, illschmegal The "war" on Iraq wasn't OK'd by the UN, how legal does it make that?
That's why they're called "covert ops", in and out without anyone knowing
Exploding cigars
The Geneva Convention bans the use of nuclear weapons of any size (I'm pretty sure) however if a country is getting beaten into the ground then they've got nothing to lose and will most likely fire any nukes they have
True, but its rare the UN actually makes a descision about anything important, like oh, I don't know...maybe enforcing the sanctions and no fly zones they declared in the first place?
Its telling that yea, the UN doesn't like it- but for the past few years its remained tellingly silent on the entire situation. Especially France and Russia.
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Tivia wrote:However as to the idea, it is pretty much the single most absurd notion ever considered. 21kt, 21MT....once you start using them a Door is opened that cannot be shut.
Precisely. And this administration is working on ways to open that door.
Tivia wrote:Lord Acton 1887. Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men.
Some once corrected that statement to read:
Immunity tends to corrupt, and absolute immunity corrupts absolutely.
The one thing that this administration has insisted on is immunity. The one of the first things W did when he became president was to cancel the US's application to join the International Criminal Court, the body that investigates and prosecutes war crimes because they would not grant blanket immunity against prosecution to all US citizens.
KarouKaniyashia wrote:Well lets take a walk through history. Korean War, China has always been North Korea's Ally.
Lets take that walk back to a bit before WWII.
There were many times when China owned N. Korea. One Korean dynasty (forget the name darrrnit, Chosen?) got its start by kicking China out.
You can correctly state that Communist China has always been the ally of Communist N. Korea. That's 60 years out of either 1600 or 2500 years depending on when you believe Korea can be called a country.
Sugami wrote:Illegal, illschmegal. The "war" on Iraq wasn't OK'd by the UN, how legal does it make that?
There are many who believe that starting this current unpleasantness was a war crime. We hung Japanese for the crime of starting a war against us. "Crimes against the peace" I believe was the charge.
Fiye wrote:We may not know it, but to some, the mere existance of America is quite hates. Take the example of some of our WW2/Cold War propaganda.
these are my last words on my thread.
Please rescind that last statement long enough to tell me what you meant by the fragment I quoted above it. I think you wrote it while tired or distracted and I can't understand what you are trying to say.
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KarouKaniyashia wrote:Actually No. If North Korea is attacked it will be because China has enlisted the aid of the United States. Still don't believe me? Well lets take a walk through history. Korean War, China has always been North Korea's Ally. But this nuclear program of theirs is threating China's security and domination of the Asian continent (Or what they hope to dominate.) China believes that North Korea needs to disarm and has constantly asked not just North Korea to do it, but Has asked the United Nations for Help and has actually signed a peace treaty with the US, asking that if North Korea gets worse, if we would aid them in stopping a mutual enemy.
Now lets face it, China is getting screwed over by North Korea. If your best ally screwed you over, I highly doubt you'd defend them if they got attacked. North Korea thinks they can rule the world, Kim's a whiny baby, And China's borders are threatened because of the nuclear testing. Do you seriously think China has ANY love left for a country that wont disarm and is standing in their way of trying to take over the world? I seriously don't.
I believe I was implying that any (hypothetical) attacks into N. Korea could not happen without China (and probably Russia's) tacit if not explicit consent in my earlier post.
China is not happy with N. Korea true, but they haven't cut ties with N. Korea yet either. Until that happens, China will protect N.Korea if its attacked.
Things may change in the future, but that's the way things stand now.
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Eviticus wrote:Castro's about a foot from his hospital death bed, Saddam's boots belong to the hangman. Great. Now all we need to do is actually pay attention to the decades of genocide in Africa.
Oh wait, no, there's not as much oil there, never mind.
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No, that may be, China may still want to own North Korea, but why would they want to protect a country that's threating their own security? To me it doesn't make much sense. I'm not Chinese, so I can only speculate from news stories. but if China would defend them, why would they ask the U.S. for help in stopping them? That in its self makes no sense whatsoever (Then again half the crap China does makes no sense.) As for Russia, no offense, but I won't be surprised if the Russians get involved. They missed out on the fun in Iraqi Freedom, and given Russia/Soviet Union's history, they rarely pass up an oppourtunity to go to war. (That is my standpoint, feel free to correct that)
By the way, the UN should be shot for impersonating Peace keepers.
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ScarlettPheonix wrote:Its telling that yea, the UN doesn't like it- but for the past few years its remained tellingly silent on the entire situation. Especially France and Russia.
What's happening with France and Russia?
Tsybil wrote:There are many who believe that starting this current unpleasantness was a war crime. We hung Japanese for the crime of starting a war against us. "Crimes against the peace" I believe was the charge.
Japan started a war against the US? You mean WW2? That war was already going on at the time and Japan paid the price; they bombed Pearl Harbour, you nuked them (twice). It's what my old history teacher calls an "own goal".
Nothing's happening with France and Russia- that's my point. They've been silent on the Iraq situation for the past couple of years, but in the days and weeks leading up to it they were very vocally against it.
The US had stayed out of the war in Europe (and Asia) prior to Japan's bombing of Pearl Harbor. So, yes, Japan started the war for us.
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Also the first American to die in WW2 was before Pearl Harbour, dunno why but remember hearing about it when I went to some museum or something
The Flying Tigers were operating as a free lance "unofficial" mercenary group in China before we joined the war. Don't know if one of them was that first American you mentioned. Many Americans were in Europe and England before you got into it for that mater.
Just like in WWI there were a few Americans who joined Canadian and British armed forces before we got into WWII as well.
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ScarlettPheonix wrote:FYI- the US policy on use of nuclear weapons is only as a last resort. The President can't just order it to be done. I can't remember the policy name off hand but its basically:
Chemical weapons- no first use.
Biological weapons- never
Nuclear weapons- only as a last resort.
We get trained on this every year on the response to those threats.
If America or any of its territories are attacked by a Bio or a Chem weapon we will respond with an immediate nuclear strike. The military has no existing policies on the use of Bio or Chem weapons only Nuclear. And that decision has to come down from the president.
There was alot of interest in China for the US prior to the communist revoultion there, we had a pretty sizable military force there. Kinda like what he have in Japan now.
But Pearl harbor wasnt the first strike for the Japanese, they hit Guam, Wake Island, Midway, and the Phillipines (at the time a American Territory) before Pearl Harbor.
Tsybil wrote:The Flying Tigers were operating as a free lance "unofficial" mercenary group in China before we joined the war. Don't know if one of them was that first American you mentioned. Many Americans were in Europe and England before you got into it for that mater.
Just like in WWI there were a few Americans who joined Canadian and British armed forces before we got into WWII as well.
Think it was in Europe where the first American faught and died in WW2 before the US officially joined the fight. I was in one of those military strategy centres where either a "tour guide" or some writing on the wall said it.
England were in it from the start (pretty much), as soon as Poland was invaded and Germany said they weren't moving that's when we declared war methinks (and the French surrendered ).
Just like in WWI, the Americans were late in WWII
ScarlettPheonix wrote:Its Pearl Harbor Day- not Japanese attack on American Forces in the Pacific Day on Dec 7th.
such a memorable name that would be
Only "days" we "have" are D-Day and VJ-Day methinks, I'm no historian though
Speaking of France surrendering, check out this link it pretty funny.
It started with a hacker who broke into google and changed there search parameters to display "did you mean french military defeats" when you were looking for french victories. When you click on the link it takes you to a brief synopsis of france's military history
Kessa wrote:Speaking of France surrendering, check out this link it pretty funny.
It started with a hacker who broke into google and changed there search parameters to display "did you mean french military defeats" when you were looking for french victories. When you click on the link it takes you to a brief synopsis of france's military history
Martin Luther King Jr Day
President's Day
St. Patrick's Day
Mother's Day
Memorial Day
Father's Day
Flag Day (fun Army fact- it's the same day as the US ARMY's Birthday)
Independence Day
Labor Day
Patriot's Day (9/11)
Columbus Day
Veteran's Day and Thanksgiving Day for major non-religious holidays.
Weeks and Months too!
National Teacher's Week
Secertary's Week (or w/e they're calling it)
Arbor Day
Black History Month
Hispanic Heritage month
Native American Heritage Month
Women's History Month
Irish-American Heritage Month (in March, naturally)
Asian-Pacific American Heritage Month and lots more.
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Tsybil wrote:Not me, Sugami. Its a CLASSIC Brit line.
That's because it's true
What's the CLASSIC yank line? "If it weren't for us you'd be speaking German." No, if it wasn't for Battle of Britain we'd be speaking German but keep thinking that anyways.
Sugami, between Britan's entry into the war and the surrender of France there was a period called 'the phony war".
What is this "phony war" you speak of? I'm too lazy to look it up
Technically it wasn't a war till someone declared war. Germany just invaded without declaring anything, wouldn't it have been Britain to declare war first?
Edit: Phony War. Oh we were taught that as the Bore War methinks but I stopped doing History at age 14
ScarlettPheonic wrote:Oh we have lots of Days here in America
I was referring to WW2 related "Days"
- French Revolution
- Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.
Battle of Agincourt (part of the hundred years war) is quite famous in English history not because we won and were outnumbered but because that's where the legend of the 2-finger salute (reverse peace sign) comes from.
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It has long been told that the famous "two-fingers salute" and/or "V sign" derives from the gestures of English archers, fighting at Agincourt. The myth claims that the French cut off two fingers on the right hand of captured archers and that the gesture was a sign of defiance by those who were not mutilated.
Funny how the French have the stereotype of being superior and arrogant when they really can't back it up with actions.
The "if it weren't for us, you'd be speaking German" I always thought was more in reference to the liberation of France. It's what I've always used it for anyway.
Interestingly enough, troops in Korea use the same phrase to vent their frusteration over the frequent protesters over there. Only its "If it weren't for us, you'd still be speaking Japanese."
Sorry, Sug- either I was half asleep and missed the part where you were referring to just WWII specific days or you weren't clear enough.
To be honest, days like Pearl Harbor, D-Day, etc pass unnoticed by most of the country. Memorial Day and Veteran's Day are really the only ones that the entire country turns out in memory of- mostly by throwing a BBQ on the first and taking a moment of silence for the veterans on the latter or watching yet a "Special Report" on the evening news that covers the current President paying his respects at Arlington.
We still have too many "days" if you ask me. Seems like every special interest group has a "National Day/Week/Month" of some sort
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"French involvement proved decisive, with a French naval victory in the Chesapeake leading to the surrender of a British army at Yorktown in 1781. The Treaty of Paris in 1783 ended the war and recognized the sovereignty of the United States over the territory bounded by Canada to the North, Florida to the South, and the Mississippi River to the west.
Ben Franklin sacrificed a lot to secure French involvement on America's behalf. Methinks there's little to be gained by poking fun of anyone who's done you a favor. /shrug. But I suppose now that we're big enough to fight our own wars without anyone's help there's little to be lost too.
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Stage convent "accidents", Send Castro exploding cigars, have aircraft fly into mountains in clear weather, that's more our style.
You mean WW2? That war was already going on at the time and Japan paid the price; they bombed Pearl Harbour, you nuked them (twice). It's what my old history teacher calls an "own goal".
No, if it wasn't for 
