WARNING! DO NOT USE THE FFXI WINDOWER!

Kahvi · Post by **Kahvi** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 7:56 pm

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Download file, save to floppy, get it printed at kinkos

Josiejo · Post by **Josiejo** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:05 pm

Kintrra wrote:...And then we'll see if your prices hold true in West Virginia anyway, lol. Plus the cost of paper, ink cartridges, all that other assorted crap.

There are computers in West Virginia?

Nobodyreal · Post by **Nobodyreal** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:33 pm

Josiejo wrote:
Kintrra wrote:...And then we'll see if your prices hold true in West Virginia anyway, lol. Plus the cost of paper, ink cartridges, all that other assorted crap.
There are computers in West Virginia? :o :o :o

:rofl:

They've got all three internets, too.

Kintrra · Post by **Kintrra** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:58 am

Yes we have computers in West Virginia. Believe me, it was a shock to the rest of the world too.

Now what's a Kinkos? O.o Cuz we ain't got one, lol.

Kopopo · Post by **Kopopo** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:59 pm

Tivia wrote:
Neoshinobi wrote:
Kintrra wrote: There are those of us who can't afford those Kopopo.
What dumpster do you live in? Doesn't cost very much for one.
Have you see the cost of Ink for most printers? its insane. Aslo why am I going to contribute to the deterioriation of the ecology further by printing out tons of paper when I should be able to just switch between programs seamlessly? Do not get me wrong I am by no means an ecological activist, but I do not believe in creating waste for the sake of creating waste.

Sitting around, wasting time on a game using electricity is also a waste.

Kahvi · Post by **Kahvi** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 2:16 pm

Kintrra wrote:Yes we have computers in West Virginia. Believe me, it was a shock to the rest of the world too.

Now what's a Kinkos? O.o Cuz we ain't got one, lol.

well then, just jump the boarder into pennsylvania... im almost certain theres a kinkos in Pittsburgh area you can use.

angelstar107 · Post by **angelstar107** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 6:10 pm

No to sound like I'm taking sides, but I think you got off kinda easy.

Yes, the windower proved convience for the player, however... prior to this, many announcements have been made about using third-party software and that you would be punished if you were caught using it.

That GM wasn't being an asshole. He was doing his job. If you didn't go out and get the windower, it wouldn't have happened in the first place.

All I can say, and not to sound mean, is that you got of very easy, considering how long they have been telling us that using third party software is against the rules.

Furthermore, on page 133 of the manual that comes with the game, it clearly states "To the maximum extent permitted by law, you may not modify, reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the software". The windower does just that. It modifies the program to run on a different basis, which means decompiling the command line which triggers the full screen and temperarily disables it.

*shrugs* You knew the rules, now you gotta pay for breaking them. All things considering, a 96 hour suspension is a pretty light sentence.

Jaela · Post by **Jaela** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:33 am

Wow....Just think about the TP view in ballista...that would be a major cheat

Post by **Karou Ariyen** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:10 am

so thats how that red mage knew when to hit me before my weaponskills hit him..... grrrrrr we lost to bastok becuase of that

Kailea · Post by **Kailea** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 1:48 pm

so thats how that red mage knew when to hit me before my weaponskills hit him..... grrrrrr we lost to bastok becuase of that Mad

no that is not how the RDM did that, the TP plug in only lets you see you and your PTs/alliance TP and MP noone elses. The RDM was just good :p

Post by **Karou Ariyen** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 6:22 pm

really now...... becuase im telling you that RDM had me matched w/o even know it then

Post by **Nekiu** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:01 am

I use windower as well but i modified it a little so that i can play in full screen and i deleted ALL the add ons so all it can be used for is i can press CTRL ALT DEL then access the bottom bar and the start menue in order to do things like AIM and google something. I only do that because one could feel the fact that PS2 players have an advantage by haveing a computer AND a ps2 unlike me

Post by **Karou Ariyen** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:05 am

you delete the add ons? custom programming?

Lihera · Post by **Lihera** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:18 am

There's a setup .txt file in which you can comment out the part where it loads the plugins.

colbwa · Post by **colbwa** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:19 pm

kashell wrote:I will keep using a windower regardless. They can't really detect that you're using a a windower unless they scan you computer which is illegal, and honestly if they could detect you running 3rd party programs why haven't they banned all the provoke bots, fish bots?

Using a windower is cheating. This makes you no different that botters, gilbuyers/sellers, & MPKers in the sense that you all are cheaters.

Post by **Shirai** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:27 pm

colbwa wrote:
kashell wrote:I will keep using a windower regardless. They can't really detect that you're using a a windower unless they scan you computer which is illegal, and honestly if they could detect you running 3rd party programs why haven't they banned all the provoke bots, fish bots?
Using a windower is cheating. This makes you no different that botters, gilbuyers/sellers, & MPKers in the sense that you all are cheaters.

Well, to be just be blunt.... that is one of the most stupid and ungrounded things I've ever heard comming out of a human being.

On what grounds would we be so bad if we use the windower for what I use it for.

I only have one PC from where I run FFXI, IRC, Internet and the rest of the stuff.

What's wrong with chatting with my friends over irc and reading forums and news pages while my mule is bazaaring in Jueno?

So it's true the windower helps bots and campers cheat, I can't deny that,
but don't go put us who do not use it for the purpose of cheating but to still want to have the multitasking ability of the PC while running FFXI in the same corner with those people that do use it to cheat.

colbwa · Post by **colbwa** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:31 pm

Well to be blunt, I was exactly right.

Using a windower is in fact cheating.

Gilbuying is cheating.

Gilselling is cheating.

Edit: My grounds are that it's proven in the TOS.

Check if you like ^^

Nothing is wrong with chatting on IRC while your Jeuno mule is bazaaring.....as long as you do it on another computer.

Thanatos02 · Post by **Thanatos02** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:22 pm

Hm. I print out or write down the things I want to access while I'm playing. It's limited, but, well, whatever.

For those complaining about printing, well, come on. Unless you're printing full-color pictures or books, you're not going to be killing your budget. Honestly, that's why one has a printer in the first place - to print things on paper. omg. Revelation. ^_^ (I kid!)

Also, about it being a waste - it's not a waste if you use it. You can read books on computers, too, but having them on paper isn't a waste. It's a resource - and in this case, a legal recourse. As long as you don't use a windower to harsh some legal gamer, I don't have a problem, personally, but don't complain if you get caught. It's like speeding.

Person: OMG, the cop wrote me a ticket for speeding!
Me: Well, you were breaking the law. ^.^;;;
Person: You speed, too, hypocrite!
Me: It's not like I whine when I get caught, though. x.X

Post by **Karou Ariyen** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:27 pm

no your right in a sense it is in the TOS but news flash colby no one is rich to affoard 2 pcs to do that, half the crap i even have at this house was either custom built or given as a gift, and since im a PS2 player i dont worry about PC, but gilselling isnt the same as a windower, that depends on teh player who uses it, personally, if I were on pc, I wouldnt be using the cheating attachments, i'd have them taken off, like I was show a few threads back and so forth, if an honest player uses a windower to not cheat, ZOMG ITS IN THE TOS THEY R CH3aters~

you cannot judge a book by its cover, and I strongly suggest you dont do that colby, at least not here.

Post by **Shirai** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:35 pm

Thanatos02 wrote:Hm. I print out or write down the things I want to access while I'm playing. It's limited, but, well, whatever.

For those complaining about printing, well, come on. Unless you're printing full-color pictures or books, you're not going to be killing your budget. Honestly, that's why one has a printer in the first place - to print things on paper. omg. Revelation. ^_^ (I kid!)

Also, about it being a waste - it's not a waste if you use it. You can read books on computers, too, but having them on paper isn't a waste. It's a resource - and in this case, a legal recourse.

Yes some things I do prefer on paper. I have a laser printer for that.
but the main thing I use it for is several chat programs like msn, irc, icq.

As long as you don't use a windower to harsh some legal gamer, I don't have a problem, personally, but don't complain if you get caught. It's like speeding.

Heh I won't, if they take met to Jail for it and confront me with it I won't deny it either.
I'll be breaking the rules they set up so I will take the penalty if they catch me.

colbwa · Post by **colbwa** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:24 pm

KarouKaniyashia wrote:no your right in a sense it is in the TOS but news flash colby no one is rich to affoard 2 pcs to do that, half the crap i even have at this house was either custom built or given as a gift, and since im a PS2 player i dont worry about PC, but gilselling isnt the same as a windower, that depends on teh player who uses it, personally, if I were on pc, I wouldnt be using the cheating attachments, i'd have them taken off, like I was show a few threads back and so forth, if an honest player uses a windower to not cheat, ZOMG ITS IN THE TOS THEY R CH3aters~

you cannot judge a book by its cover, and I strongly suggest you dont do that colby, at least not here.

I'm merely pointing out that using the windower is still cheating.

Edit: It's your account not mine ^^

Baketsu · Post by **Baketsu** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:26 pm

Go dumpster diving and find an old PC/laptop that will run a webrowser/IM and problem solved.

Post by **Karou Ariyen** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:27 pm

Thanatos02 · Post by **Thanatos02** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:43 pm

Shirai wrote: Yes some things I do prefer on paper. I have a laser printer for that.
but the main thing I use it for is several chat programs like msn, irc, icq.

I can't say, then, that we are at cross-purposes. =^.^=

Kintrra · Post by **Kintrra** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:46 pm

Baketsu wrote:Go dumpster diving and find an old PC/laptop that will run a webrowser/IM and problem solved.

Yes, because we all live near a place that throws laptops out all the time. I think not perhaps, yes?

Thanatos02 · Post by **Thanatos02** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:48 pm

Most electronics stores will dump electronics they wern't able to move. If they don't dump a whole laptop, they will at least dump perfectly good PC parts.

Dumpster diving is only technically illeagal.

Shentino · Post by **Shentino** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:16 pm

Dumpster diving is theft. It remains property of the company that discarded it until such time as it is picked up, at which point it becomes the property of the garbage company.

As for the "cheat" clause, perhaps it should be defined what it means to "cheat".

A windower, PROVIDED IT DOES ONLY WINDOWING, isn't a cheat because it gives your character no effect. It's just a user interface enhancement. Of course, it's by permission we play FFXI, so Square has the authority to ban on a whim, regardless of what their rules say. Being in charge gives you a wide berth.

Dogma · Post by **Dogma** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:12 am

Well guess Im a cheater, I <3 my windower

Prrsha · Post by **Prrsha** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:20 am

Dogma wrote:Well guess Im a cheater, I <3 my windower

The new windower has plug ins that by definition are cheating plugins. If you have them installed you are cheating plain and simple. You rate up there with cheaters who use 3rd party aim bot/hack/cheat programs. If all of the people who used those programs to cheat were wiped off the internet I wouldn't shead a single tear. It would be a better place without them. People like that ruin multiplayer games.

Dogma · Post by **Dogma** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:32 am

Prrsha wrote:
Dogma wrote:Well guess Im a cheater, I <3 my windower
The new windower has plug ins that by definition are cheating plugins. If you have them installed you are cheating plain and simple. You rate up there with cheaters who use 3rd party aim bot/hack/cheat programs. If all of the people who used those programs to cheat were wiped off the internet I wouldn't shead a single tear. It would be a better place without them. People like that ruin multiplayer games.

and your opinion affects me how?

Seriously Prrsha, stop trying to demand every one in the world share your opinion. I like your post and style but you must relise not every one is a Prrsha. We all have different opinions on everything. You dont use a windower, ok, thats fine. Some do, ok, thats fine to. What is not fine is your Zelot ways Of demanding that every one agree with you. In your own way, with this issue your worse than a troll. Actually Id prefer a troll right now... get a lil entertainment goin while waiting for this update

You know what we call these kind of peeps?

Republicans