Upcoming Version Update April 2005
I don't like this update at all. There's already tons of players in endgame who have no idea how to play their jobs, I worked hard for every experience point I've gotten, and it sucks that someone isn't going to appreciate levelling up as much as all the other players who have reached 75 already. A level 75 noob is the worst kind of noob.
They're making it easier for the few who complain because all they do in this game is level grind and they get bored. There's so many low and mid level things to do, this game isn't like the first Everquest, where to be effective at all you had to be a high level. It also isn't like WoW where we all level up as fast as possible to play PvP.
*shrug* Not that anyone here falls into this category, but it just isn't right that players who don't enjoy and put as much effort into this game as others do are going to be 75 faster and easier than the ones who do enjoy every aspect of the game and have already put a lot of effort into it. I suppose HNMs and sky are going to be even more full, and even more full of players who don't know the etiquette (blah, sp) and such of sky and HNMs.
I'm confused as to what SE means by players past 50 don't effect the balance of the game anymore. Sorry for the rant, and a lot of it probably doesn't make any sense, I'm just teemed that all my hardwork to get to 70+ isn't going to be appreciated anymore when every person who picks up this game and is 75 in a month.
Please SE, don't try and turn this into WoW. You don't have PvP and that's the only thing that WoW has going for it the huge PvP part of the game, not the storylines, not the quests, not the graphics, just PvP.
They're making it easier for the few who complain because all they do in this game is level grind and they get bored. There's so many low and mid level things to do, this game isn't like the first Everquest, where to be effective at all you had to be a high level. It also isn't like WoW where we all level up as fast as possible to play PvP.
*shrug* Not that anyone here falls into this category, but it just isn't right that players who don't enjoy and put as much effort into this game as others do are going to be 75 faster and easier than the ones who do enjoy every aspect of the game and have already put a lot of effort into it. I suppose HNMs and sky are going to be even more full, and even more full of players who don't know the etiquette (blah, sp) and such of sky and HNMs.
I'm confused as to what SE means by players past 50 don't effect the balance of the game anymore. Sorry for the rant, and a lot of it probably doesn't make any sense, I'm just teemed that all my hardwork to get to 70+ isn't going to be appreciated anymore when every person who picks up this game and is 75 in a month.
Please SE, don't try and turn this into WoW. You don't have PvP and that's the only thing that WoW has going for it the huge PvP part of the game, not the storylines, not the quests, not the graphics, just PvP.
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BLM 75 : RNG 73 : SMN 53 : WHM 40 : NIN 37 : RDM 37 : WAR 37 : THF 18 : MNK 10 : DRG 8 : BRD 8 : SAM 6
Maybe to relax the people who already leveled far past 50 they will take into account the amount of experience you have earned so far. Next time you log on after the update your character will have another level or, if you're 75, a whole lot of merit points.
That would still bring the troubles of a high level noob, but at least people's time would not have been wasted.
That would still bring the troubles of a high level noob, but at least people's time would not have been wasted.
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Well they did say directly "since the implementation of the final cap of 75" so no. I'm pretty sure that they will never raise the cap again.Kandora wrote:Is it possible that this is the first step in raising the level cap again?
As for all the higher levels who feel cheated think of it this way, now you can level other jobs you like with less stress.
As for bringing more people to the higher levels who "don't know how to play their jobs" um ... HELLO!! Bad players are everywhere and always will be. It could be 100k xp per level after 50 and you are still going to find these kinds of players. Changing how much xp per level it takes is not going to weed them out.
I would think all them "SE hates NA players" people should rejoice ... now you can catch up to the JPs. I bet every JP player is thinking "SE hates JP players!"
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Nope, they said that you will not gain a level from the change. If you would level up with the amount of xp you have you'll be left with 1 tnl, if you're already capped at your xp for 75, you'll still be capped, no merit points.
They didn't say they'll be changing the xp required for merit points, so I don't think that system is changing anytime soon.
They didn't say they'll be changing the xp required for merit points, so I don't think that system is changing anytime soon.
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BLM 75 : RNG 73 : SMN 53 : WHM 40 : NIN 37 : RDM 37 : WAR 37 : THF 18 : MNK 10 : DRG 8 : BRD 8 : SAM 6
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BLM 75 : RNG 73 : SMN 53 : WHM 40 : NIN 37 : RDM 37 : WAR 37 : THF 18 : MNK 10 : DRG 8 : BRD 8 : SAM 6
Honestly, I don't think earning 20k (or whatever I'll have to earn) a level instead of 30 or 40k to get from 67 to 75 is going to make me a worse player.
The only spells I have left to learn are Shell 4, Raise 3, Curaga 4, and Reraise 3...
Seriously. Do you think using the prequels to these spells would give me greater enlightenment by wasting several more hours killing the same mobs over and over again?
Granted, working harder for something gives you a greater appreciation for it. But make no mistake: that's all that's lost here. The appreciation and the hard work are all that's diluted.
But I don't think it will lead to a mass of clueless players. They tend to come from the ill-gotten crowd of IGE and ebay fame... And no level is immune from that, even today.
The only spells I have left to learn are Shell 4, Raise 3, Curaga 4, and Reraise 3...
Seriously. Do you think using the prequels to these spells would give me greater enlightenment by wasting several more hours killing the same mobs over and over again?
Granted, working harder for something gives you a greater appreciation for it. But make no mistake: that's all that's lost here. The appreciation and the hard work are all that's diluted.
But I don't think it will lead to a mass of clueless players. They tend to come from the ill-gotten crowd of IGE and ebay fame... And no level is immune from that, even today.
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I don't think this is going to be as drastic a change as people are talking about. I'm thinking the exp is going to go something like:
From >> To
20k >> 15k
30k >> 22k
40k >> 30k
etc.
And let's face it. Exp parties don't change much between levels 50 and 75 with the exception of a few new abilities at level 60. You still need the same basic party (tank, healer, buff/debuffer, puller, 2 DD's) that you've used since skillchains became a necesity in the 40's. The only thing this is going to save everyone is about one hour per level of repetative fights and exp chains.
It's not going to make level 75's worse players because they've only spent 80 days playing the game instead of 100. For me, it's not going to make leveling up any less rewarding. And it's not going to create a huge influx of level 75's because they'll still need to get something like 500k exp between level 50-75.
Think about that number. 500,000 exp!! That's 2,500 monsters you have to kill at an average of 200 exp/mob. That's 100 hours of playing time at 5k/hour. (Not to mention the time it takes to build a party, move to where you're going, then the tank has to go pick up his g/f, and the whm needs a drink, and the puller needs to use the w.c.) It's gonna be a little bit easier but not that much.
From >> To
20k >> 15k
30k >> 22k
40k >> 30k
etc.
And let's face it. Exp parties don't change much between levels 50 and 75 with the exception of a few new abilities at level 60. You still need the same basic party (tank, healer, buff/debuffer, puller, 2 DD's) that you've used since skillchains became a necesity in the 40's. The only thing this is going to save everyone is about one hour per level of repetative fights and exp chains.
It's not going to make level 75's worse players because they've only spent 80 days playing the game instead of 100. For me, it's not going to make leveling up any less rewarding. And it's not going to create a huge influx of level 75's because they'll still need to get something like 500k exp between level 50-75.
Think about that number. 500,000 exp!! That's 2,500 monsters you have to kill at an average of 200 exp/mob. That's 100 hours of playing time at 5k/hour. (Not to mention the time it takes to build a party, move to where you're going, then the tank has to go pick up his g/f, and the whm needs a drink, and the puller needs to use the w.c.) It's gonna be a little bit easier but not that much.
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Well said.Poge wrote:I don't think this is going to be as drastic a change as people are talking about. I'm thinking the exp is going to go something like:
From >> To
20k >> 15k
30k >> 22k
40k >> 30k
etc.
And let's face it. Exp parties don't change much between levels 50 and 75 with the exception of a few new abilities at level 60. You still need the same basic party (tank, healer, buff/debuffer, puller, 2 DD's) that you've used since skillchains became a necesity in the 40's. The only thing this is going to save everyone is about one hour per level of repetative fights and exp chains.
It's not going to make level 75's worse players because they've only spent 80 days playing the game instead of 100. For me, it's not going to make leveling up any less rewarding. And it's not going to create a huge influx of level 75's because they'll still need to get something like 500k exp between level 50-75.
Think about that number. 500,000 exp!! That's 2,500 monsters you have to kill at an average of 200 exp/mob. That's 100 hours of playing time at 5k/hour. (Not to mention the time it takes to build a party, move to where you're going, then the tank has to go pick up his g/f, and the whm needs a drink, and the puller needs to use the w.c.) It's gonna be a little bit easier but not that much.
Hmm... maybe we're not playing the same game. WoW, to me, is a gankfest. People don't powerlevel in WoW so they can PvP, they do it so they can gank or survive being ganked. Probably the only real PvP going on there is in the Arena. Anywhere else, you could be trying to do a simple quest and have some opposing player come up from behind and kill you while fighting a mob. (Nevermind the fact that they're probably about 20+ levels higher than you.) I don't care what people say about FFXI's lack of PvP, I'll take it over being hassled while questing and killed by BNet adolescents trying to validate themselves by being a WoW "leet" jerk.Pyrexia wrote:Please SE, don't try and turn this into WoW. You don't have PvP and that's the only thing that WoW has going for it the huge PvP part of the game, not the storylines, not the quests, not the graphics, just PvP.
Even with the EXP cuts, this game is still far more epic, and far more fulfilling than WoW will ever be. That's why I cancelled my WoW subscription, and will probably never reactivate it.
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Now that I think about it I dislike this update even more, doing endgame content stuff is already over crowded on Alexander.....160 people camping Fafnir the other day, it's already next to impossible to get claim on popular HNMs and there's almost always 100+ people in sky at any given time getting pop items for gods now too..
It's going to happen eventually anyway... it's not like those areas should belong to a small group of people for the rest of the server's existence. What would you do if some of those HNMs weren't as camped? Camp them yourself, perhaps? Not much else you can do with them, unless you're helping others fulfill quests, which is getting them closer to being yet another body in these high-level areas.
Still, I don't see what's wrong with it, especially if this ends up bringing about the raise of the max level cap and making room for more abilities and such.
Still, I don't see what's wrong with it, especially if this ends up bringing about the raise of the max level cap and making room for more abilities and such.
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I think what they mean by levels being unbalanced it that you need increasingly more xp to level up and the xp rate remains the same. The higher level you are, the more imbalanced the ratio of needed xp/gained xp is. Think of the ratio 200xp is for a level 20 compared to level 60. Granted higher level is supposed to be harder, but I understand where SE is coming from.
I would love to go more into the story and quests, but even at lvl 46, I am spending all my time grinding xp.
SE is making these changes because they want ppl to be more involved in the story. This in turn will cause less crowding in xping areas. Of course ppl will be disappointed that are higher level, but I think as a whole, it will all be more enjoyable for everyone. Wouldn't it be cool if more kitties were high level and we could do really fun stuff? Then you could join us on MP again Pyr..
I would love to go more into the story and quests, but even at lvl 46, I am spending all my time grinding xp.
SE is making these changes because they want ppl to be more involved in the story. This in turn will cause less crowding in xping areas. Of course ppl will be disappointed that are higher level, but I think as a whole, it will all be more enjoyable for everyone. Wouldn't it be cool if more kitties were high level and we could do really fun stuff? Then you could join us on MP again Pyr..
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I agree lessen the exp per level, well at high levels. Its not bad for repetitiveness now (around lvl 30) but my brother has gotten to 55 and all he does is fight the same thing for hours and personally I would get bored. I agree with Poge, even the 1/4 exp off of higher levels would lessen the annoyance of repetition.
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This is it ... the calm before the storm. Added the latest info, including on the new relic armor. 
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Wow and wow ... What an update! It's HUGE. From new poles to gaining XP in ballista ... I've added everything to the first post here. Be sure to check it out!!
My favorite is this:
A new synthesis recipe for black ink has been introduced.
My favorite is this:
A new synthesis recipe for black ink has been introduced.
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I can't get connected to the server to update... I've tried for 2 hours. 
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Re: Upcoming Version Update April 2005
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