MithraPride

Yeah I know. I was trying to find some reason why he was getting low yields and I am getting high.

Ran an experiment.

12 Brass pots, all planted on the Waxing Gibbous. 6 planted on Lightday, 6 on Fireday. All fertilized with Water on Fireday. Results:

Lightday plantings, 3 pots of Fire crystals, 18, 18, & 17, 3 pots of Bay Leaves, 8, 6, & 6.

Fireday plantings, 1 pot of Fire crystals, 19, 5 pots of Bay Leaves, 7, 4, 4, 4, & 6.

Next experiment will be Waterday vs. Lightday plantings.

Experrriment part II,

Herb seeds trying for Fire Crystals.

Planted on Lightday WG, and Waterday 90% Full. Six each. Fertilized with Water on Waterday.

Harvested this morning, not a good moon.

Lightday pots. 1 yeilded 18 Fire Crystals, the rest between 4 and 8 Bay Leaves each.

Waterday pots. All yeilded 5 to 7 bay leaves each.

Anyone boiling Crabs? Oh wait, no one else is on Garuda.... /sigh

Reason I had to try this way, Piko Pots shows a good chance of and ammount of fire crystals from this one.

Things I NEED to know; Time window for feeding and harvesting by seed. I would like to be able to harvest these Grain products on the Waxing Gibbous, just don't know how long to wait. Nor do I have the info I need to worrrk backwarrrds and calculate planting times so I can both feed and harvest on WG.

Elemental Ore Recipe Attempt 1

I. Preparation
The pots are a one-time purchase, so after your first batch it will be that much more profit. you could save money by buying/farming cuttings, just keep in mind it will take another 3 weeks for those to mature into saplings. (note: if you do wish to do this, never feed a crystal to the cuttings to get saplings. trust me on this.)
Quote:
40 Porcelain pots~5k per pot (cermet chunks traded to alchemist, 1 chunk=1 pot)
1 Oak table for each 5 pots @ 6k: 48k---> adds gardening moghancement allowing you to stay longer amounts of time away from examining your plants without them dieing...
Plant 40 Tree Saplings---> Preferred day:Lightsday, Waxing Crescent (best planting moon phase and day, but moon phase is most important part)~88k/stack
Wait ~ 1 week


II. Feedings
I used 5 pots total for each element, so as to not flood the market if I get many elemental ores.
On the first feeding days, I attempt to feed 5 plants at a time, and keep a record. Here was my record I used:

Light Ore
Lightsday feeding 1---> feed 5 pots Light crystal
Lightsday feeding 2---> feed 5 pots Dark crystal

Dark Ore
Darksday feeding 1---> feed 5 pots Dark crystal
Darksday feeding 2---> feed 5 pots Light crystal

Fire Ore
Iceday feeding 1---> feed 5 pots Light crystal
Iceday feeding 2---> feed 5 pots Fire crystal

Water Ore
Firesday feeding 1---> feed 5 pots Light crystal
Firesday feeding 2---> feed 5 pots Water crystal

Lightning Ore
Watersday feeding 1---> feed 5 pots Light crystal
Watersday feeding 2---> feed 5 pots Lightning crystal

Earth Ore
Thundersday feeding 1---> feed 5 pots Light crystal
Thundersday feeding 2---> feed 5 pots Earth crystal

Wind Ore
Earthsday feeding 1---> feed 5 pots Light crystal
Earthsday feeding 2---> feed 5 pots Wind crystal

Ice Ore
Windsday feeding 1---> feed 5 pots Light crystal
Windsday feeding 2---> feed 5 pots Ice crystal

III. Harvesting
I try my best to always harvest either during waxing gibbous or full moon, and on the day matching the pot's intended ore.

Light Batch: 18 Shell Bugs, 16 Gold Leafs
Dark Batch: 12 Shell Bugs, 12 Gold Leafs, 2 Dark Ore
Fire Batch: 18 Shell Bugs, 16 Gold Leafs
Water Batch: 14 Shell Bugs, 10 Gold Leafs
Lightning Batch: 8 Shell Bugs, 20 Gold Leafs, 2 Lightning Ore
Earth Batch: 16 Shell Bugs, 14 Gold Leafs, 1 Earth Ore
Wind Batch: 21 Shell Bugs, 24 Gold Leafs
Ice Batch: 13 Shell Bugs, 8 Gold Leafs, 1 Ice Ore

10 stacks Shellbugs @ 1.5k/stack---> 15k
10 stacks Gold Leafs @ 15k/stack---> 150k
6 Elemental Ore @ 120k-200k--->970k

Subtract expenses @ 200k pots + 294k saplings +48k Oak Tables +13k Crystals---> 555k for me and 3 mules (~140k to start 1 moghouse setup)

Total profit, batch 1: 580k

Elemental Ore Recipe Attempt 2

I. Preparation
This time, I decided to take a different route that i don't see many people taking, out of curiosity. I hope it pays off.
Quote:
40 Porcelain pots
Plant 40 Tree Saplings---> Preferred day:Lightsday, Waxing Crescent Wait ~ 1 week


II. Feedings
I used 5 pots total again for each element, so as to not flood the market if I get many elemental ores.
On the first feeding days, I attempt to feed 5 plants at a time, and keep a record. Here was my record I used:

Light Ore
Lightsday feeding 1---> feed 5 pots NOTHING
Wait ~ 1 week
Lightsday feeding 2---> feed 5 pots Light crystal

Dark Ore
Darksday feeding 1---> feed 5 pots NOTHING
Wait ~ 1 week
Darksday feeding 2---> feed 5 pots Dark crystal

Fire Ore
Iceday feeding 1---> feed 5 pots NOTHING
Wait ~ 1 week
Iceday feeding 2---> feed 5 pots Fire crystal

Water Ore
Firesday feeding 1---> feed 5 pots NOTHING
Wait ~ 1 week
Firesday feeding 2---> feed 5 pots Water crystal

Lightning Ore
Watersday feeding 1---> feed 5 pots NOTHING
Wait ~ 1 week
Watersday feeding 2---> feed 5 pots Lightning crystal

Earth Ore
Thundersday feeding 1---> feed 5 pots NOTHING
Wait ~ 1 week
Thundersday feeding 2---> feed 5 pots Earth crystal

Wind Ore
Earthsday feeding 1---> feed 5 pots NOTHING
Wait ~ 1 week
Earthsday feeding 2---> feed 5 pots Wind crystal

Ice Ore
Windsday feeding 1---> feed 5 pots NOTHING
Wait ~ 1 week
Windsday feeding 2---> feed 5 pots Ice crystal

III. Harvesting
I try my best to always harvest either during waxing gibbous or full moon, and on the day matching the pot's intended ore.

Light Batch: 2 Dark Clusters, 67 Gold Leaves
Dark Batch: 18 Light Clusters
Fire Batch: 11 Ice Clusters, 2 Reishi Mushrooms, 1 Fire Ore
Water Batch: 8 Reishi Mushrooms, 14 Gold Leaves, 1 Water Ore
Lightning Batch: 3 Wind Clusters, 3 Water Clusters, 9 Reishi Mushrooms*
Earth Batch: 12 Lightning Clusters, 3 Reishi Mushrooms**
Wind Batch: 10 Earth Clusters, 10 Gold Leaves, 1 Wind Ore***
Ice Batch: 7 Wind Clusters, 3 Water Clusters, 3 Reishi Mushrooms, 9 Gold Leaves*

*-Ok, I goofed on these two batches... I was on the last phase of full moon and panicked, so I disregarded the day (firesday), assuming full moon would give me something decent... as you can see, this is NOT THE CASE! The only days you should ever consider harvesting for half-decent results is the intended ore's day or the day WEAK to the intended ore. this also applies to light & dark, since they are naturally weak to each other.

**-Waning gibbous... massive crystals, that's about it... This test strengthens my theory that waxing gibbous or full moon is best for higher quality results, when waning gibbous is less likely to give intended results, while still nice quantity of lower quality stuff.

*** Ok, this one confused me a bit, but in a wierd way, it makes sense. After realizing it was 22:55 windsday on my last chance to feed a crystal, I hot-logged and went on to my mule, and rush-fed the 5 pots for wind- 3 got fed windsday, but 2 were fed at watersday, because I was late. The wierd part was, one of those 2 pots was my Wind Ore! As I thought about it, days to feeding does seem to have some randomness to it, feeding days therefore isnt a fixed value. Still, feeding on the matching day signifcantly increases your odds to HQ yields.

Subtract expenses @ 294k saplings +0k Crystals (grown)---> 294k

Total profit, batch 2: ~350k


What I Learned from this batch---

1. Day and moonphase, in that order, are the priorities in when you want good results, hands-down.
2. light+ element is better by far than nothing + element. Pretty obvious, but I'm voicing it for the sake of completeness.
3. The day to feed isnt hardly as important as the day/moon to plant and to harvest.
4.A wierd factor- the location in the room I set my pots seems to effect the yields! Think about the compass points and the stars: dark being north, thunder northwest, the rest circling to the other 6 points,,, wierd fact is, on my first batch, the only ore I had 2 yields of were dark and thunder... my tables are centered on the north end of my moghouse, (promotes dark), and thunder ore was positioned on the left extreme side (accounting for northwest compass direction)... If this is true, I may be able to further effect future yields! ^^

Elemental Ore Recipe Attempt 3

I. Preparation
This time, I decided to take a rumored but not heavily documented route that i hear many people taking. Again, I hope it pays off.
Quote:
40 Porcelain pots
Plant 40 Tree Saplings---> Preferred day:Lightsday, Waxing Crescent Wait ~ 1 week


II. Feedings
I used 5 pots total again for each element, so as to not flood the market if I get many elemental ores.
On the first feeding days, I attempt to feed 5 plants at a time, and keep a record. Here was my record I used:

Light Ore
Lightsday feeding 1---> feed 5 pots Light crystal
Wait ~ 1 week
Lightsday feeding 2---> feed 5 pots Light crystal

Dark Ore
Darksday feeding 1---> feed 5 pots Dark crystal
Wait ~ 1 week
Darksday feeding 2---> feed 5 pots Dark crystal

Fire Ore
Iceday feeding 1---> feed 5 pots Fire crystal
Wait ~ 1 week
Iceday feeding 2---> feed 5 pots Fire crystal

Water Ore
Firesday feeding 1---> feed 5 pots Water crystal
Wait ~ 1 week
Firesday feeding 2---> feed 5 pots Water crystal

Lightning Ore
Watersday feeding 1---> feed 5 pots Lightning crystal
Wait ~ 1 week
Watersday feeding 2---> feed 5 pots Lightning crystal

Earth Ore
Thundersday feeding 1---> feed 5 pots Earth crystal
Wait ~ 1 week
Thundersday feeding 2---> feed 5 pots (missed, nothing)

Wind Ore
Earthsday feeding 1---> feed 5 pots Wind crystal
Wait ~ 1 week
Earthsday feeding 2---> feed 5 pots Wind crystal

Ice Ore
Windsday feeding 1---> feed 5 pots Ice crystal
Wait ~ 1 week
Windsday feeding 2---> feed 5 pots Ice crystal

III. Harvesting
I try my best to always harvest either during waxing gibbous or full moon, and on the day matching the pot's intended ore. From what I see, the larger the positive difference from planting to harvesting, the better the yields, in general.

Light Batch: 45 Gold Leaves
Dark Batch: 3 Light Clusters, 64 Rock Salt
Fire Batch: 134 Cinnamon, 3 Ice Clusters
Water Batch: 48 Mythril Leaves, 2 Fire Clusters, 1 Water Ore
Lightning Batch: 61 Silver Leaves, 3 Water Clusters
Earth Batch: 35 Kitrons, 2 Earth Ore
Wind Batch: 49 Windurstian Tea Leaves, 5 Earth Clusters, 1 Wind Ore
Ice Batch: 24 Platinum Leaves, 5 Wind Clusters

Subtract expenses @ 294k saplings +0k Crystals (grown)---> 294k

Total profit, batch 3: ~700k


I take not credit for this...

Got it from http://game-secrets.com

Wow, this seems like a good way to make money. For tree cuttings/saplings do you wait 1 RL week to feed crystals or 1 ingame week?

Waef, try planting something else first. Anything else.

The plants tell you when they want to be fed.

The whole thing, Cuttings to Saplings to Ore takes 6 - 9 weeks Real Time.

I garden for Ore, my methodoligy is a bit different than the above post, and I make good Gil. But once I met a Taru who made his living off gardening for Millioncorn. Not a Glamor Crop like Elemental Ore, BUT... it uses the cheapest seeds around, Grain. Only 3 - 4 days to harvest. And corn just flys out of the AH every Full and New moon.

I have yet to find a way to grow Light Ore.

Personally I don't garden cause I tend to forget to feed them and they die, but here's a really good site for those interested in gardening

http://www.swapsonian.com/pikko/

Lihera wrote:I've grown Light ore on one occasion. Planted on Lightsday (New moon), fed Light crystal on Darksday (waxing gibbous), and Light crystal on again on Darksday (Waxing Gibbous) Harvested on Lightsday, (New moon). I had planned this harvest for weeks, hoping for that exact timing.

Planting on new moon..... Have to try that. What was your ore/planting ratio? Any other useful info?

Okay, I'm kind of poor now, but hopefully I can do some BCNM40s and get some gil to try out farming. Also, if you don't give tree cuttings crystals, is there a 100% chance that they will turn into saplings?

Waef wrote:Okay, I'm kind of poor now, but hopefully I can do some BCNM40s and get some gil to try out farming. Also, if you don't give tree cuttings crystals, is there a 100% chance that they will turn into saplings?

150% on average. You WILL get one or two Saplings. I usually plant on Darkday Waxing Gibbous, harvest on Lightday Waxing Gibbous and get about a 180% return. Once I harvested 6 cuttings on a Waining phase due to time presure, got only seven Saplings.

Hm, so if you have decent luck, you will usually get more saplings than the amount of cuttings you started with? Nice, but I think it would be faster just to farm the cuttings and sell those (over 100k/stack on Alexander).

I've got a black thumb and everything in my mog house dies a horriblr death. -.-

Perhaps you shouldn't keep your boots so close to the plants....

Baketsu wrote:I've got a black thumb and everything in my mog house dies a horriblr death. -.-

Moghancement: Gardening

It's really worth it when comes to the plants surviving or not.

Prrsha wrote:

Baketsu wrote:I've got a black thumb and everything in my mog house dies a horriblr death. -.-

Moghancement: Gardening

It's really worth it when comes to the plants surviving or not.

Note to self: do NOT touch tail.

(Originally taken from Family Guy where Peter takes over "Death's" job, touches a plant, it withers and dies...Then he says "Note to self: do NOT goto the bathroom." )