besides whose the authroity that demanded we use expensive stuff like that?
the update...
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heh, im not complaining, I know what gear can do and what they can't all i said was that i had a hate control problem once and thats when I said, "okay No more tanking ever" So i did, as for the abjuration, im told its useless to warrior, well that may be, but even if its not, I can do jsut fine without it, and if Nivez is reading this, im not going to get a haubby or scorpion harness, becuase that gear means crap, im taking my lorica and exping up
besides whose the authroity that demanded we use expensive stuff like that?
besides whose the authroity that demanded we use expensive stuff like that?
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ah okay my mistake, I didnt mean to misread i'm sorry 
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=O KarouKaniyashia
Abj for warrior.. is best eq you can get -_-;
Armada Armor.... Relic is not that even great lol ^^;
ABj drops by Nidhogg
Cursed Hauberk(Adaman Hauberk)
Strength +10, Dexterity +10, Accuracy +15, Attack +15, Evasion -10
Cursed Hauberk -1(Armada Hauberk)
Strength +11, Dexterity +11, Accuracy +16, Attack +16, Evasion -11
while
AF2 Armor gives you
HP+10 Attack+10 Enmity+4 Enhances "Aggressor" effect
Dynamis - Xarcabard
i'm not sure who wouldnt want this baby ~.~
let me talk to that warrior please
and no..;
ranger need accuracy the most.. and they released the update with this armor.. i highly doubt its JSE
Abj for warrior.. is best eq you can get -_-;
Armada Armor.... Relic is not that even great lol ^^;
ABj drops by Nidhogg
Cursed Hauberk(Adaman Hauberk)
Strength +10, Dexterity +10, Accuracy +15, Attack +15, Evasion -10
Cursed Hauberk -1(Armada Hauberk)
Strength +11, Dexterity +11, Accuracy +16, Attack +16, Evasion -11
while
AF2 Armor gives you
HP+10 Attack+10 Enmity+4 Enhances "Aggressor" effect
Dynamis - Xarcabard
i'm not sure who wouldnt want this baby ~.~
let me talk to that warrior please
and no..;
ranger need accuracy the most.. and they released the update with this armor.. i highly doubt its JSE
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I'm pretty tired of hearing all the 'dedicated Ranger's complaining, and I hear it a lot. A bunch of players slumming on message boards saying "Oh noes!" and acting like it's the end of the world that for any given party, the optimum setup involves 4 Rangers.
Let's consider, shall we?
My favorite is the "We pay for dmg, so we should do the most, every time!" It's my favorite argument, because it almost works. But personally, I don't buy it. So you have to buy bullets and arrows - I don't care. Because crazy damage isn't an entitlement, it's just that having to buy equipment is a downside. Sure, I'll admit it, it's the bad part of being a job whose damage is essentially in the form of disposible items. It's part of being an archer.
Now, I respect the desire of a Ranger to be highly effective because he's using reasources constantly to be effective, just like I respect the Ninja. A Ranger is very damaging. But how much more effective then a Drk or a Mnk or a War should you be? You're faster, you do more damage, many Rng sub Ninja for Shadows and now you lose hate when one gets hit. Should you be better then a Blk every time?
Or maybe you're paying for speed? Hm. There's a thought. You do realize that a Rng never has to rest for MP, right? As long as you've got arrows, you don't have to rest, and that's a big deal if you like to keep the exp. rolling in. You're paying for efficiency too. You're trading time out of a party making money for time in a party making exp. Every tick a Blk spends resting is valueable party time. Same for a Drk, who spends time in a fight, while missing, for dmg - and who must rest for MP also if he's without juice (money, like arrows) or a Rdm (reasources - Mp, time).
I don't know if it's an even tradeoff, but I'd say damage closer to a traditional DD as opposed to a huge bump is better balanced because you're also more efficient with your time in a party.
I know it's also a lot of work to find the Ranger 'sweet spot'. I'm sorry it's a 20% reduction in dmg. at the optimum accuracy/dmg spot. That's life. If you want more damage, play farther away (at least you're out of the AoE spell!) and load up on accuracy. If you want to hit all the time, get close, compensate with more +dmg stuff. Make a choice, change your playing style, and stop being so lazy.
Also, wait, do your arrows do dmg based on mob level? Oh noes! Just like everyone else! This is possibly the most fair thing about the changes - the thing that I approve of most. This, more then anything, eliminates the "Trouble? Just throw more Rng at the problem!" thing and opens the game to other DD.
Now, what I'm not saying is that all rangers do nothing but complain. I'm also not saying that the people on the Mithra Pride boards are the worst offenders. What I am saying is that my heart most certainly does not bleed for these DD's. SE doesn't owe you anything more then they owe the rest of the players - to create a game that everyone gets to play and have fun with. And I think you'll find that most non-rangers think this is pretty keen - especially other DD's.
Maybe Drgs and the rest will have an easier time getting parties - probably not - rng still have incredible dmg and efficiency, but maybe it's more even.
Let's consider, shall we?
My favorite is the "We pay for dmg, so we should do the most, every time!" It's my favorite argument, because it almost works. But personally, I don't buy it. So you have to buy bullets and arrows - I don't care. Because crazy damage isn't an entitlement, it's just that having to buy equipment is a downside. Sure, I'll admit it, it's the bad part of being a job whose damage is essentially in the form of disposible items. It's part of being an archer.
Now, I respect the desire of a Ranger to be highly effective because he's using reasources constantly to be effective, just like I respect the Ninja. A Ranger is very damaging. But how much more effective then a Drk or a Mnk or a War should you be? You're faster, you do more damage, many Rng sub Ninja for Shadows and now you lose hate when one gets hit. Should you be better then a Blk every time?
Or maybe you're paying for speed? Hm. There's a thought. You do realize that a Rng never has to rest for MP, right? As long as you've got arrows, you don't have to rest, and that's a big deal if you like to keep the exp. rolling in. You're paying for efficiency too. You're trading time out of a party making money for time in a party making exp. Every tick a Blk spends resting is valueable party time. Same for a Drk, who spends time in a fight, while missing, for dmg - and who must rest for MP also if he's without juice (money, like arrows) or a Rdm (reasources - Mp, time).
I don't know if it's an even tradeoff, but I'd say damage closer to a traditional DD as opposed to a huge bump is better balanced because you're also more efficient with your time in a party.
I know it's also a lot of work to find the Ranger 'sweet spot'. I'm sorry it's a 20% reduction in dmg. at the optimum accuracy/dmg spot. That's life. If you want more damage, play farther away (at least you're out of the AoE spell!) and load up on accuracy. If you want to hit all the time, get close, compensate with more +dmg stuff. Make a choice, change your playing style, and stop being so lazy.
Also, wait, do your arrows do dmg based on mob level? Oh noes! Just like everyone else! This is possibly the most fair thing about the changes - the thing that I approve of most. This, more then anything, eliminates the "Trouble? Just throw more Rng at the problem!" thing and opens the game to other DD.
Now, what I'm not saying is that all rangers do nothing but complain. I'm also not saying that the people on the Mithra Pride boards are the worst offenders. What I am saying is that my heart most certainly does not bleed for these DD's. SE doesn't owe you anything more then they owe the rest of the players - to create a game that everyone gets to play and have fun with. And I think you'll find that most non-rangers think this is pretty keen - especially other DD's.
Maybe Drgs and the rest will have an easier time getting parties - probably not - rng still have incredible dmg and efficiency, but maybe it's more even.
Fear not: for no-one can obstruct
Our passage: it is decreed so on high.
Await me here. Comfort your weary soul
And feed it with high hopes till I return;
For I will not forsake you here in Hell.
- [i]The Divine Comedy of Dante Alighieri[/i]
[i] Canto 8 [/i]
Our passage: it is decreed so on high.
Await me here. Comfort your weary soul
And feed it with high hopes till I return;
For I will not forsake you here in Hell.
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Not neccasarilly true. Most Warriors at that level have joined the /nin bandwagon. all that armor does is add stats for tanking. We already know warriors are not adequate tanks, and this update proves it aswell as showing ninja isnt one. and Believe me, Armor like this is only flashy for say war/mnk but even they dont tank too much.Jae wrote:=O KarouKaniyashia
Abj for warrior.. is best eq you can get -_-;
Armada Armor.... Relic is not that even great lol ^^;
Kip : Honestly? They are flashy Tank wise, but to be honest Karou, its one of those items that in dynamis and "end game" levels doesnt really do much. Remember this, people are placing importance on equipment. But equipment is sh*t compared to skill. You can't have one or the other it seems, and if anyone, specifically non-warriors tells you how to do a job they dont play or have at your levels.... Ignore them. Play it the way you want to play it, and trust me, Aim for the abj, but you can hold out with Haub/relic gear. Wait til you start getting God drops. The Abj is really more built for plds anyways.Jae wrote:ABj drops by Nidhogg
Cursed Hauberk(Adaman Hauberk)
Strength +10, Dexterity +10, Accuracy +15, Attack +15, Evasion -10
Cursed Hauberk -1(Armada Hauberk)
Strength +11, Dexterity +11, Accuracy +16, Attack +16, Evasion -11
while
AF2 Armor gives you
HP+10 Attack+10 Enmity+4 Enhances "Aggressor" effect
Dynamis - Xarcabard
i'm not sure who wouldnt want this baby ~.~
let me talk to that warrior please
thats coming from a 75 warrior. and I'd rather follow his advice considering, i dont see any other 75 warriors on the pride
no offense Jae, you both are right, he agrees that ABJ is nice to have, ill save for it, but it really isnt neccassary, "end game" levels sh*t ish ard to hit even with the mostexpensive and +1ish gear. and why worry about an item that sucks the fun away?Warrior 81/Ninja 37 | Samurai 85/Warrior 40 | Puppetmaster 76/Warrior 37 | Dancer 41/Ninja 16
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Swift Illusion - Black Female Chocobo |Sahyu - Level 60 Soothing Healer |
nono im just saying warrior have wonderful equipments ^^
all jobs do. I just want to show you stuff that you may not know or you may know already.
i do agree you dont know all those fancy stuff to enjoy the game
like i said i wanted show you ^^; if i sounded like if i was bad ass or lecturing .. then i apologize.
this is my opinion for equipment... to be honest every job dont need much of skills. its just all about timing. what i mean by getting good.. not even good but decent equipment to do dmg or role that what you are suppose to do in party. As a party manner... or to save people time in party,mission,etc. well thats my opinion. dont take it too hard please. and those little +1 mods will add up eventually and it will make hugh different. Myself vs Someone who even have better equipment... makes 60~100dmg between rangers. And Adj is for all kinds of job.. as you can see there are 6(?) different abj sets -_-; not sure what he meant by only for pld. its for every job.
I'm not -_-; crying anymore infact I was never crying. I just wanted show my opinion to my first linkshell ~.~. Its just that in my opinion... Ranger want nerfed this much... not here to fight with people or job.
Added Note: I'm not sure how I posted... but those people who consider that i was crying or to compare with other job... then i'm not sure who was the really 1 crying... I happened to posted stuff to compare(did i even?) because people was just enjoying and flaming ranger only about the "damage". Not even single person except Karou say she is sorry about how ranger was nerfed. Hope we all see in positive way before flaming other people.
all jobs do. I just want to show you stuff that you may not know or you may know already.
i do agree you dont know all those fancy stuff to enjoy the game
like i said i wanted show you ^^; if i sounded like if i was bad ass or lecturing .. then i apologize.
this is my opinion for equipment... to be honest every job dont need much of skills. its just all about timing. what i mean by getting good.. not even good but decent equipment to do dmg or role that what you are suppose to do in party. As a party manner... or to save people time in party,mission,etc. well thats my opinion. dont take it too hard please. and those little +1 mods will add up eventually and it will make hugh different. Myself vs Someone who even have better equipment... makes 60~100dmg between rangers. And Adj is for all kinds of job.. as you can see there are 6(?) different abj sets -_-; not sure what he meant by only for pld. its for every job.
I'm not -_-; crying anymore infact I was never crying. I just wanted show my opinion to my first linkshell ~.~. Its just that in my opinion... Ranger want nerfed this much... not here to fight with people or job.
Added Note: I'm not sure how I posted... but those people who consider that i was crying or to compare with other job... then i'm not sure who was the really 1 crying... I happened to posted stuff to compare(did i even?) because people was just enjoying and flaming ranger only about the "damage". Not even single person except Karou say she is sorry about how ranger was nerfed. Hope we all see in positive way before flaming other people.
Alright, I'm sorry, maybe at the end of the game, they aren't, but I've heard about enough of this statement. Who else tanks for parties who can't find a PLD in those first 30 levels? What about the people who were at the very start of the game where no one had PLD open? A WAR with a shield works quite well for tank, perhaps not as well as a PLD (woot for uber-defense) but they work well enough. Also, I think perhaps the {Defender} job ability is there for a reason perhaps, ne?[/quote]We already know warriors are not adequate tanks
OMFG! 8 75+!!!! 
Who knew slackers could work so hard? D:
And now a Miqo'te as well. >=D
Melee classes:PLD90/NIN90/WAR90/THF90/SAM83/MNK90/DNC46/DRK24/DRG12/COR8/PUP12/RNG5
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Who knew slackers could work so hard? D:And now a Miqo'te as well. >=D
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I didnt say anything other then war/nin as tanks 
you said a war twh a shield. how many of those do you see? after 30? trust me w/o /mnk we arnt exactly that adequate of a tank. subjob affects it and you know that. THink about the japanese play when it started. think before Zilart. Before zilart there was no /nin for warriors. Warriors had /thf or /mnk and thats what was used as a tank. WHen zilart came out in japan that added /nin and the dual wield ability. war/NIN's are not good tanks. war/mnk is more viable imo. defender and the shield skills in af were done in japan before zilart came out with sam/nin/drg
and jae he meant it was really only for pld stat wise, becuase at that level there are many alternatives for the war/nin around that gear setup, iti s for everyone, he was commenting stat wise.
you said a war twh a shield. how many of those do you see? after 30? trust me w/o /mnk we arnt exactly that adequate of a tank. subjob affects it and you know that. THink about the japanese play when it started. think before Zilart. Before zilart there was no /nin for warriors. Warriors had /thf or /mnk and thats what was used as a tank. WHen zilart came out in japan that added /nin and the dual wield ability. war/NIN's are not good tanks. war/mnk is more viable imo. defender and the shield skills in af were done in japan before zilart came out with sam/nin/drgand jae he meant it was really only for pld stat wise, becuase at that level there are many alternatives for the war/nin around that gear setup, iti s for everyone, he was commenting stat wise.
Warrior 81/Ninja 37 | Samurai 85/Warrior 40 | Puppetmaster 76/Warrior 37 | Dancer 41/Ninja 16
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Ahh, okay, didn't realize you were referring to just the WAR/NIN's there, my apologies. 
Oh, and just for the record, I carry a sword&shield combo with my WAR all the time in case I get stuck Tanking.
Oh, and just for the record, I carry a sword&shield combo with my WAR all the time in case I get stuck Tanking.
OMFG! 8 75+!!!! Who knew slackers could work so hard? D:
And now a Miqo'te as well. >=D
Melee classes:PLD90/NIN90/WAR90/THF90/SAM83/MNK90/DNC46/DRK24/DRG12/COR8/PUP12/RNG5
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Who knew slackers could work so hard? D:And now a Miqo'te as well. >=D
Melee classes:PLD90/NIN90/WAR90/THF90/SAM83/MNK90/DNC46/DRK24/DRG12/COR8/PUP12/RNG5
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its okay, no harm done, slight confusion, but ya, the majority of wars are /nin so its kinda why stuff like the adaman and haubby's are more focused around a /mnk sub, but ya i keep a sword and GAxe on me at all times, mosto f the time when im not in a SC i swap out to GAxe to skill it up
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It's different for War/xx tanks, because the setup is different, but I have heard that the sub-job for War is highly dependant on level. At low levels, I think most people expect a /Mnk sub, later a /Thf job, and at high levels, a /Nin job.
Of course, YMMV. Just a side note. =)
Of course, YMMV. Just a side note. =)
Fear not: for no-one can obstruct
Our passage: it is decreed so on high.
Await me here. Comfort your weary soul
And feed it with high hopes till I return;
For I will not forsake you here in Hell.
- [i]The Divine Comedy of Dante Alighieri[/i]
[i] Canto 8 [/i]
Our passage: it is decreed so on high.
Await me here. Comfort your weary soul
And feed it with high hopes till I return;
For I will not forsake you here in Hell.
- [i]The Divine Comedy of Dante Alighieri[/i]
[i] Canto 8 [/i]
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the one war friend i have did the impossible so to speak, he went war/mnk the entire stretch, he wont touch /nin becuase he doesnt like that sub to begin with, personal preferance i guess
Warrior 81/Ninja 37 | Samurai 85/Warrior 40 | Puppetmaster 76/Warrior 37 | Dancer 41/Ninja 16
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