Yet another reason to not buy the Xbox One

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Re: Yet another reason to not buy the Xbox One

Post by Alya Mizar (Tsybil) » Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:36 pm

Krissy wrote:that comes down to parents need to pay attention to what they buy children....
Right... like the kids can't buy stuff themselves?

Honestly .... Way back in the mid 20th century (otherwise known as the neolithic age) when I was a kid I could order stuff over the phone or by mail COD. Or spend my allowance and chore money on comic books that the Comics Code Authority would NEVER have approved of.

Today kids of that age, and we are talking single digits, are offered credit cards. They can spend their allowance on games with breast physics and they know how to watch porn on the interwebs.
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Re: Yet another reason to not buy the Xbox One

Post by MikaMeow » Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:44 pm

If they already know how to watch porn on the interwebs, I don't think they're going to learn anything new from Bayonetta :p :rofl: (is Bayonetta 2 only coming out on the wii or something? Seems kinda weird to me. I still need to get around to finishing the first game.)
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Re: Yet another reason to not buy the Xbox One

Post by Shirai » Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:42 am

Sugami wrote:I think you missed the point :P Why release a mature game for a "family console"? It's completely the wrong target market.
Nintendo always had a couple of games for the mature and even for the adult market, even in the days of old for the NES/Famicon they just never went out of their way to grandly advertise those over the family games. Because that's what the Famicon was, a Family conpyuutaa.
(The adult games never were aknowledged as being official Nintendo Licensed games, but there were quite a few on the Japanese market.)
MikaMeow wrote:(is Bayonetta 2 only coming out on the wii or something? Seems kinda weird to me. I still need to get around to finishing the first game.)
Bayonetta 2 will be a Wii U exclusive indeed.
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Re: Yet another reason to not buy the Xbox One

Post by Sugami » Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:14 pm

A couple of games makes not a market :P It's just Nintendo's pathetic attempt to try and say "Hey, we're not just for "families"!" but they didn't fool anyone. You can't really compare the NES or even SNES to Wii and Wii U, it was a different time back then, gamers generally were children but now those children have grown up into us :P

If you thought Bayonetta had poor sales on the 360 and PS3 (it apparently did) it's going to be so much worse on the Wii U, and that will only kill the series rather than simply leaving it in limbo. :(
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Re: Yet another reason to not buy the Xbox One

Post by Mystiana » Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:27 pm

Either way, it's a dead series, so might as well enjoy the second game for all its worth.

The woman has clothing this time, so already it's been de-sexualized to a point.
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Re: Yet another reason to not buy the Xbox One

Post by Alya Mizar (Tsybil) » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:55 am

Mystiana wrote:.... The woman has clothing this time....
????

Not being a console gamer but being into costume design / construction ... I WANT A LINK.
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Re: Yet another reason to not buy the Xbox One

Post by Mystiana » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:58 am

In the first game, her "outfit" was made entirely out of her own hair, that she could also morph into weapons and the like, which gave nice chances to see "something" though come on, you knew it wouldn't really happen. ;)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3406/343 ... 33c7_o.jpg

In the new one, she clearly has actual clothing, not really useful hair:

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Re: Yet another reason to not buy the Xbox One

Post by Alya Mizar (Tsybil) » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:55 pm

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Re: Yet another reason to not buy the Xbox One

Post by Sugami » Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:59 pm

I can't enjoy the second one, that's the problem :P And barely anyone else will either 'cause like 1% of the fans own a Wii U :P

Heh well being on the Wii U might be the reason she's actually wearing clothes now (she was much like Morrigan from Darkstalkers) but that's not to say she'll toss that aside to reveal her old getup or something similar :lol: Come on the hair-summon-thing (was it her hair?) is a pretty cool idea, ditching it would kinda suck... suck like making it a Wii U exclusive, zing!
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Re: Yet another reason to not buy the Xbox One

Post by MikaMeow » Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:37 am

Yikes that new look, looks pretty horrible. Making her have short hair now.. wtf!?
I think I agree with ya that this will kill the series. Oh well. x_x
Seems pretty stupid to me to take a game that was ps3/360 only, and making the sequel exclusively on the Wii-U. (not to mention dumbing it down a bit.)
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Re: Yet another reason to not buy the Xbox One

Post by Sugami » Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:04 pm

Yeah well it's understandable why PS3/360 games don't get released on Wii due to the graphical capabilities, never mind that it's completely the wrong market for mature games. Wii U is about the same as PS3/360 when it comes to graphics, I'm guessing that either the new publishers have a deal with Nintendo or it's going to try to use the gimmicky crap on the Wii U...

I'd put a hefty bet that the sales figures will be really bad, then no publisher will want to touch the IP.
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Re: Yet another reason to not buy the Xbox One

Post by Krissy » Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:38 pm

is it really the graphics, or do they just not want to mess with those weird controllers? And motion sensing and stuff.
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Re: Yet another reason to not buy the Xbox One

Post by Mystiana » Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:15 pm

Sugami wrote:I'd put a hefty bet that the sales figures will be really bad, then no publisher will want to touch the IP.
That's what they said about the first one. ^^
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Post by Sugami » Tue Jul 16, 2013 6:49 pm

That the sales figures would be bad? Heck really surprised me, it's the guy that made DMC behind the helm. It's like a sexy DMC where you kill angels instead of demons :lol: Personally I don't think it quite stands up to DMC4, I do know of people who hate that game but they're probably hating because of Nero. DMC4 has the most polished and involved fighting engine of the lot, as you'd expect and there's very little in it that's actually frustrating. That's where Bayonetta falls down for me, instant death because of QTE and now your score is ruined, then there's environmental damage and even death, many a moment spent screaming at the TV :lol:

Story-wise I think Bayonetta probably has the stronger story than any of the DMC games, yeah it's cheesy and OTT but you're a witch summoning demons with your hair/clothes killing angels so think it's forgivable :P

Heck well and truly derailed this train :P
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Post by Krissy » Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:18 am

There was a track? damn, I don't even recall one.
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Post by Alya Mizar (Tsybil) » Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:40 am

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Post by Mystiana » Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:02 pm

Score? What do you need a score for?
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Re: Yet another reason to not buy the Xbox One

Post by Fiye » Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:03 am

Wii U: Nintendo Exclusives.
X1: Cable box receiver, Microsoft Exclusives.
PS4: Everything else, unless later adopters pick up the X1 in favor of the PS4.

This is my plan. It seems sound currently.

Except for the fact this is going to cost me $900 minimum this holiday season. At least Gamefly will still work with the X1! I'll just buy the games when they cost $20 new next year.

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Post by Sugami » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:27 pm

Give it a year or so I'm sure they'll come down in price :P
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Post by Fiye » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:03 pm

I give two years before PS4 goes down in price. A year before the X1 looks at going to $450.

I'm surprised the Wii U didn't try bringing their 32 GB model down to $300. Especially when they cut the 3DS down from $250 to $170.
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Post by Mystiana » Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:06 pm

Nintendo only does price cuts when they can still make a profit from the console sale. The tech on the large gamepad must still be too expensive for a price cut.
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Re: Yet another reason to not buy the Xbox One

Post by Asphe » Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:37 am

Historically, I don't think Nintendo have ever not at least broke even on all their hardware. I bet the other two console giants wish they had such luxury.

On the other paw, with Nintendo's main 'thing' being their 'portable' stuff... maybe they should be more worried about iOS/Android than Sony/Microsoft.

I really hope they'll quit trying to add new hardware to their hardware. And darnit, where's my Pikmin!

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Post by Sugami » Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:38 am

Well I don't think the 3DS is doing too good, at least it didn't have a good start. All past iterations of handhelds were pretty successful I believe. I'll need to get a 3DS soon, Pokemon X/Y, there's a Capcom X Namco X something else game I want and the new Ace Attorney game.
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Post by Fiye » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:07 pm

The 3DS is finally picking up, now that its had some time to get some good games.

http://kotaku.com/the-12-best-games-on-the-3ds-5878903

The Wii U is suffering pretty terribly though. No one wants to put out anything on it. Once excluse Rayman Legends is now going on all big 3 consoles, EA has sworn off the Wii U, and the biggest Nintendo Exclusives are at least a year away (Super Smash to note. A new Zelda adventure.)

Hell, the 3DS has a new Zelda and Mario and Luigi game coming out. Not to mention Pokemon X and Y. And hell, compared to the Vita, the 3DS is destroying the Vita.

The only notable game I can think that's coming for the Vita is FFX: HD.
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Re: Yet another reason to not buy the Xbox One

Post by Asphe » Wed Jul 31, 2013 5:54 pm

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Krissy wrote:that comes down to parents need to pay attention to what they buy children....
Right... like the kids can't buy stuff themselves?

Honestly .... Way back in the mid 20th century (otherwise known as the neolithic age) when I was a kid I could order stuff over the phone or by mail COD. Or spend my allowance and chore money on comic books that the Comics Code Authority would NEVER have approved of.

Today kids of that age, and we are talking single digits, are offered credit cards. They can spend their allowance on games with breast physics and they know how to watch porn on the interwebs.
Today? Nuh uh!

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Dad: You can have $300, get the rest from mom.

Meow: Mom?! Dad said I could get $300 from you to buy a Canopus Pure3D for his PC.
Mom: Here you are!

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Of course, that's not really how it went down. I got TWO Pure3D cards. From Canopus. Err... ok it's a Voodoo Graphics card... you know? 3Dfx? And the Pure3D was the only card with SIX MB (That's megabyte) of video ram (2 for the frame buffer, i.e. 640x480 and 4 for textures).

So really, either the kid has the dough, or has overly trusting parents. And probably both. Or they can murder someone for the stuff. Plus it helps if the PUs play EQ too.

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Re: Yet another reason to not buy the Xbox One

Post by Alya Mizar (Tsybil) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:37 pm

Oh, you scammed your parents too?

:lol: :rofl: :lol:

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Re: Yet another reason to not buy the Xbox One

Post by Sugami » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:04 am

Project X Zone, that's the one! I was pretty gutted I couldn't play Namco X Capcom but this is like the spiritual successor to that game, must get!

My parents never gave me money for junk, they'd either buy it for me, get it for my bday/xmas or I didn't get it.
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Re: Yet another reason to not buy the Xbox One

Post by Krissy » Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:24 pm

Same, Mom would either buy it for me, or I didn't get it.

And you can't legally have a credit card until you're 18 (possibly depending on the state, whatever the age is to sign a contract). So any of that single digit stuff is either a myth or a mistake and not valid in court. I doubt children have enough cash on hand to buy a game, and even if they do, stores can't sell them any game rated mature without id proving age (at least they're not supposed to).

On a side note, I'm amused when my mother would buy a 'mature' game for my brother and get carded, and when I did it I wasn't. I'm very clearly younger then she is. (and if my brother hasn't shaved in a while, I doubt he'd be carded either. Huge scruffy beard, it's frightening.)
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Re: Yet another reason to not buy the Xbox One

Post by Alya Mizar (Tsybil) » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:16 pm

Krissy wrote:And you can't legally have a credit card until you're 18 (possibly depending on the state, whatever the age is to sign a contract). So any of that single digit stuff is either a myth or a mistake and not valid in court.
I will agree that it isn't valid in court, but it is no mistake.

They make the offers, some get picked up, the kids don't pay or fall behind, the CC companies bill the parents and threaten court action. Most fold and pay. I would hope the CC companies would fold at the slightest sign of backbone, but somehow I doubt they do.

Far more offers go out to the 12 - 16 year old crowd, but kids as young as 5 have been offered credit cards. They are usually pitched something like: Have your very own credit card! Just sign here and return.

Think they accept signatures in crayon?
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Re: Yet another reason to not buy the Xbox One

Post by Sugami » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:34 am

Wait, aren't the CC companies in the wrong for issuing to kids? Parents could just challenge them and they'd be screwed or worse they could get fined or whatever for bad practice.
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